I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WOULD BE WISE TO SHARE THIS ARTICLE WITH OTHERS,I JUST READ IT FROM A WEBSITE, ALL CREDITS SHOULD GO TO THE AUTHOR NAMED AT THE END OF THIS ARTICLE.
MDAU EDWARD MKWELELE
I live in the Diaspora. That alone gives me an experience edge over most of the folks in Tanzania. I know some folks would regard that as bragging, but it is not. It is a matter of fact. Obviously, my experience has helped me grow. Not only intellectually, but as a total person. I have come to see how similar human beings are in terms of their motivations. We all want to be happy, prosperous, powerful, recognized, etc. The only difference, however, is how different society achieves their goals. That to me has been the separating point between the West and Africa, for instance.
I came across this article from Daily News on how the University of Dar-Es-Salaam scholars blasted the idea of dual citizenship. Reading every rationale provided by the scholars, I almost went bananas. Read the original article yourself, lest I get accused of making up stories.
I seriously respect the UDSM scholars’ opinions. It is their prerogative to express their views. Nonetheless, I would like to express my opinions too. And my take is this: the view expressed by most of the quoted UDSM students and professors is myopic.
I can understand tying single citizenship to true patriotism, but that is a debatable argument, particularly in the Tanzanian context. From a practical standpoint, the track record of single citizens – some of whom are holding Tanzanian diplomatic passports – does not give an indication of a serious and true commitment to Tanzania. These are the same folks who have brought us RDC, the radar saga and endless of swindling of public funds. True patriotism goes beyond paying lip service and an abundant supply of meaningless rhetoric. It appears that the UDSM scholars are ascribing citizenship to a very narrow view of what it stands for.
Just a little further, globalization means mobility of labor and resources. Isn’t that’s why Tanzania is trying to lure foreign investors? If that is the case then, fear of foreign “invasion”, which has been cited as reason against dual citizenship, is more than a narrow view. Foreign “invasion”, if anything is imminent. Recently, the Tanzanian president has been trotting around the globe marketing Tanzania. The simple translation to that is the foreigners will flock Tanzania whether dual citizenship is a way to go or otherwise. By the way, Vodacom or Barrick Gold are not Tanzania owned companies. As such, singing patriotic songs will not change the global forces. The only wise thing we can do is to be proactive and manage those trends.
I gather that our “educated” mass at UDSM is still stuck in the Tanzania of 1975 when anything patriotic and Pan-Africanism sounding made a lot of sense. Unfortunately, the world of physical borders is slowing eroding and we are increasingly becoming a global village.
The loss of true Tanzanianship, if I can coin the expression, is about to end anyways. I don’t know what the UDSM scholars are seeing, but from my view point, the introduction of the East African passport will mean the end of Tanzania citizenship. If the EAC thing goes through, we all know that Tanzanians will become Kenyan and Ugandan citizenship, if you will. So why would educated folks fail to see what is actually up close and under their noses?
I guess they were busy being too patriotic.
I really can’t understand why Tanzanians would think that they are all that. The last time I checked, Tanzania is one of the poorest countries in the world. Let’s put that in capital letters: ONE OF THE POOREST COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD. Check the CIA fact figures . With an estimated $29.25 billion GDP in 2006, Tanzania was below Kenya ($40.77) and Uganda ($51.89 billion. Given those facts, why would an “educated” person in Tanzania think that there would be a mass influx to Tanzania simply because of dual citizenship? Why would we think Ugandans are imbeciles for allowing dual citizenship (despite having the highest GDP in East Africa)?
Just go ahead and look at the list of other countries (including many other African countries) that allow dual citizenship. The truth is that most of these countries are doing much better economically than Tanzania.
Well, some folks have contended that only a minority group is pushing for dual citizenship and therefore eliminating the need of granting dual citizenship. Have the “educated” elite of Tanzania thought about the fact that the majority of Tanzanians are farmers that have never seen a Tanzanian passport? Furthermore, I really don’t understand why an informed minority in a country would be denied a right to choose, simply because the majority group is ignorant.
Well, some Dr. Colman Msoka made this comment, which I honestly think is shortsighted if not stupid: “ If they (I guess he was referring to Tanzanian living abroad) love this country they should come and stay here. Why allow them to come and go?”
Well, Dr. Msoka, staying in Tanzania could be an outward expression of loving Tanzania, but is that truly the only, absolute way that one can express their love for their country? Let’s be honest. Who’s the number one enemy to Tanzania: those Tanzanians who chose to look for employment elsewhere or those Tanzanians in Tanzania who are looting the country left and right?
Deducing that Tanzanians stationed in the Diaspora are sell-outs is more than stupid. For one, it is the prerogative of every Tanzanian to travel abroad. I think that is why Tanzanian passports are issued. Secondly, it is the right of every Tanzanian to look for employment anywhere in the world (provided they don’t break the law in those foreign countries), particularly in this globalized economy. Are the white managers in Bulyakhulu less Canadians because they are stationed in Shinyanga?
It appears to me that Dr. Msoka is undermining the economic contribution of Tanzanians living abroad. I have given this example before, but I will do it again for the benefit of the ignorant likes of Dr. Msoka. I live in the United States. My mother lives in Shirati, Tarime. On a monthly basis, I send money to mom. My mom does not hide that money under her pillow. She circulates my money into the local economy. I know of other folks from Shirati right here in the United States who do the same. I know folks in Dar-es-Salaam who do the same. We keep the Shirati’s economy rolling. So do you mean to tell that a person from Shirati who decided to be stationed in Dar-es-Salaam, for instance, for economic reasons does not love Shirati enough?
There are other cultural reasons to consider also. For instance, I have a son born in the United States. He is an American from a legal standpoint, but a Tanzanian from a cultural perspective. His grandmother is still in Shirati and she pretty much considers him her bloodline. I wonder if the likes of Dr. Msoka are considering such unique situations. There are so many countries out there that are allowing dual citizenship, but my son does not have a reason to be a Ugandan, for instance. He is tied to Tanzania. Unfortunately, there are people in Tanzania who think my son does not deserve a chance to make a connection with both the country of his birth and the land that is housing his grandfather’s grave.
Honestly, I think patriotism without critically looking at all pertinent factors is just stupidity, if not craziness and irrational fanatism.
Written by Jaduong Metty in the USA.
MDAU EDWARD MKWELELE
I live in the Diaspora. That alone gives me an experience edge over most of the folks in Tanzania. I know some folks would regard that as bragging, but it is not. It is a matter of fact. Obviously, my experience has helped me grow. Not only intellectually, but as a total person. I have come to see how similar human beings are in terms of their motivations. We all want to be happy, prosperous, powerful, recognized, etc. The only difference, however, is how different society achieves their goals. That to me has been the separating point between the West and Africa, for instance.
I came across this article from Daily News on how the University of Dar-Es-Salaam scholars blasted the idea of dual citizenship. Reading every rationale provided by the scholars, I almost went bananas. Read the original article yourself, lest I get accused of making up stories.
I seriously respect the UDSM scholars’ opinions. It is their prerogative to express their views. Nonetheless, I would like to express my opinions too. And my take is this: the view expressed by most of the quoted UDSM students and professors is myopic.
I can understand tying single citizenship to true patriotism, but that is a debatable argument, particularly in the Tanzanian context. From a practical standpoint, the track record of single citizens – some of whom are holding Tanzanian diplomatic passports – does not give an indication of a serious and true commitment to Tanzania. These are the same folks who have brought us RDC, the radar saga and endless of swindling of public funds. True patriotism goes beyond paying lip service and an abundant supply of meaningless rhetoric. It appears that the UDSM scholars are ascribing citizenship to a very narrow view of what it stands for.
Just a little further, globalization means mobility of labor and resources. Isn’t that’s why Tanzania is trying to lure foreign investors? If that is the case then, fear of foreign “invasion”, which has been cited as reason against dual citizenship, is more than a narrow view. Foreign “invasion”, if anything is imminent. Recently, the Tanzanian president has been trotting around the globe marketing Tanzania. The simple translation to that is the foreigners will flock Tanzania whether dual citizenship is a way to go or otherwise. By the way, Vodacom or Barrick Gold are not Tanzania owned companies. As such, singing patriotic songs will not change the global forces. The only wise thing we can do is to be proactive and manage those trends.
I gather that our “educated” mass at UDSM is still stuck in the Tanzania of 1975 when anything patriotic and Pan-Africanism sounding made a lot of sense. Unfortunately, the world of physical borders is slowing eroding and we are increasingly becoming a global village.
The loss of true Tanzanianship, if I can coin the expression, is about to end anyways. I don’t know what the UDSM scholars are seeing, but from my view point, the introduction of the East African passport will mean the end of Tanzania citizenship. If the EAC thing goes through, we all know that Tanzanians will become Kenyan and Ugandan citizenship, if you will. So why would educated folks fail to see what is actually up close and under their noses?
I guess they were busy being too patriotic.
I really can’t understand why Tanzanians would think that they are all that. The last time I checked, Tanzania is one of the poorest countries in the world. Let’s put that in capital letters: ONE OF THE POOREST COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD. Check the CIA fact figures . With an estimated $29.25 billion GDP in 2006, Tanzania was below Kenya ($40.77) and Uganda ($51.89 billion. Given those facts, why would an “educated” person in Tanzania think that there would be a mass influx to Tanzania simply because of dual citizenship? Why would we think Ugandans are imbeciles for allowing dual citizenship (despite having the highest GDP in East Africa)?
Just go ahead and look at the list of other countries (including many other African countries) that allow dual citizenship. The truth is that most of these countries are doing much better economically than Tanzania.
Well, some folks have contended that only a minority group is pushing for dual citizenship and therefore eliminating the need of granting dual citizenship. Have the “educated” elite of Tanzania thought about the fact that the majority of Tanzanians are farmers that have never seen a Tanzanian passport? Furthermore, I really don’t understand why an informed minority in a country would be denied a right to choose, simply because the majority group is ignorant.
Well, some Dr. Colman Msoka made this comment, which I honestly think is shortsighted if not stupid: “ If they (I guess he was referring to Tanzanian living abroad) love this country they should come and stay here. Why allow them to come and go?”
Well, Dr. Msoka, staying in Tanzania could be an outward expression of loving Tanzania, but is that truly the only, absolute way that one can express their love for their country? Let’s be honest. Who’s the number one enemy to Tanzania: those Tanzanians who chose to look for employment elsewhere or those Tanzanians in Tanzania who are looting the country left and right?
Deducing that Tanzanians stationed in the Diaspora are sell-outs is more than stupid. For one, it is the prerogative of every Tanzanian to travel abroad. I think that is why Tanzanian passports are issued. Secondly, it is the right of every Tanzanian to look for employment anywhere in the world (provided they don’t break the law in those foreign countries), particularly in this globalized economy. Are the white managers in Bulyakhulu less Canadians because they are stationed in Shinyanga?
It appears to me that Dr. Msoka is undermining the economic contribution of Tanzanians living abroad. I have given this example before, but I will do it again for the benefit of the ignorant likes of Dr. Msoka. I live in the United States. My mother lives in Shirati, Tarime. On a monthly basis, I send money to mom. My mom does not hide that money under her pillow. She circulates my money into the local economy. I know of other folks from Shirati right here in the United States who do the same. I know folks in Dar-es-Salaam who do the same. We keep the Shirati’s economy rolling. So do you mean to tell that a person from Shirati who decided to be stationed in Dar-es-Salaam, for instance, for economic reasons does not love Shirati enough?
There are other cultural reasons to consider also. For instance, I have a son born in the United States. He is an American from a legal standpoint, but a Tanzanian from a cultural perspective. His grandmother is still in Shirati and she pretty much considers him her bloodline. I wonder if the likes of Dr. Msoka are considering such unique situations. There are so many countries out there that are allowing dual citizenship, but my son does not have a reason to be a Ugandan, for instance. He is tied to Tanzania. Unfortunately, there are people in Tanzania who think my son does not deserve a chance to make a connection with both the country of his birth and the land that is housing his grandfather’s grave.
Honestly, I think patriotism without critically looking at all pertinent factors is just stupidity, if not craziness and irrational fanatism.
Written by Jaduong Metty in the USA.
nice explanation and I support dual citizenship but Tanzania must provide registration to each citizen..
ReplyDeleteNOT WISE DECISION TO OFFER DUAL CITIZENSHIP IF PEOPLE STILL LIVE WITHOUT REGISTRATION..
Jivaz- Austria
Foreign Investors as the ones you have described are not citizen of Tanzania, ana they do not get benefits of being Tanzanian citizens. They just do their business, pay us Tax and there are regulations governing their stay and existence in Tanzania. Therefore this is not valid point ya kuhalalisha dual citizenship. Pili we are trying to safeguard our land which foreigners all over the world wanaimezea mate.
ReplyDeleteNdio Tanzania is the poorest country in the world, therefore it has nothing to offer to you, why not stay where you are and enjoy the benefits of living in the wealthiest country in the world? Huku kwenye umasikini na vumbi mnakutakia nini?
lazima ufike wakati tukubali ukweli kwamba watanzania wengi wana wivu sana hasa linapokuja swala la mtu flani kufanikiwa,watajitahidi kutafuta kila sababu ilimradi tu kuhakikisha kuwa mtu huyo hafanikiwi.
ReplyDeletenilisema na sasa narudia tena,kwamba swala la uraia wa nchi mbili au zaidi,linapingwa na makundi mawili ya watu wachache ambayo ni:-
1. baadhi ya wanasiasa na vizazi vyao,wakitumia propaganda za UZALENDO halisi,lakini wao ndio waharibu nchi namba moja,na wanacho kiogopa hapa ni nguvu ya upeo wa uelewa na ya kiuchumi ambayo watu walio ktk diaspora wanakuwa nayo,ambayo kwao kuikaribisha ndani ya nchi inakuwa ni mwiba kwao na kauzibe.maana wanakuwa na uwezo sawa kushindana kiuchumi,wana upeo wa kuhoji pale pasipo sawa,na kwakuwa na uraia wa nchi nyingine ya kigeni wanakuwa na nafasi sawa ya kushiriki katika nchi husika. hivyo deal chafuchafu zinazo fanywa na hii himaya ya wapingaji kundi hili zinakuwa katika hatari ya kubanwa sana na watu makini.
2.kundi la pili nila watu wenye wivu,ambao pia wanatamani kuwa ktk diaspora lakini kwa sababu mbalimbali wanashindwa,hivyo wanatumia msemo wa sungura wa sizitaki mbichi hizi. lakini hawa wanasahau kwamba mzigo wa umasikini wa taifa wanabebeshwa na watu wachache. wako very myopic kuona faida za uraia wa nchi mbili au zaidi,au wanaona lakini wanawivu kwakuwa wamekata tamaa kuupata.
hivi kweli leo hii kampuni kama ya barrick gold mine ingekuwa ni kampuni inayomilikiwa na wazawa ambao wana uraia wa nchi zaidi ya mbili,na faida yote inayopatikana kiwango kikubwa kikaishia kuwa kinafungua miradi mingine ndani ya nchi unadhani ni watanzania kiasi gani wangekuwa na ajira? kwa sasa tu inasaidia wengi,lakini madini yakiisha hapo ardhini nini kinabakia?
kuna vitu havihitaji akili sana kuona niwapi unapaswa kwenda. mfumo wa siasa uliokuwepo enzi za nyuma uliwapa watu phobia(uwoga)wa kuwa na siasa za vyama vingi wakidai utaleta machafuko,haya vipo sasa je machafuko yako wapi?zaidi wao dio wadhoofishaji wa vyama hivyo kwa kuvipandikizia mamluki wa kuviua.je hii ndiyo true patriotism?
ufike wakati watu wajue kuchuja pumba na ngano. umaskini wetu tumeukumbatia wenyewe kwa kuendekeza sumu tunayolishwa na wachache wanao neemeka kwa jasho ama kwa haki tuliyopewa na muumbaji kama ardhi,madini,nk.
swala la uraia kwa sasa ni muhimu na halikwepeki,nika multipartism,globalisation n.k
mdau
Jamani this explains why our UDSM graduates majority of them are taking this country in ruins, these are ministers and directors and commissioners. With such mtizamo that goes as far as a length of ones nose it's hard to offer a constructive critique. 90% of Tanzanians adminstrators that are crucial for the development of this great nation are the products of people like the Scholar in question here, would you expect this learner to think differently??? Mungu Ibariki Tanzania, coz only GOD the almighty will rescue us..
ReplyDeleteI'm in for Dual Citizenship because i currently live in UK where i'm working and having this passport meant i could easily get the job i wanted but the day i was sworn as a UK citizens, i also realised that i was giving up the chance to become a Tanzanian president one day (wishful thinking) but i had no other alternative. I was in view that Tanzania like many other countries would eventually allow this but it seems there are a lot of objections for no apparent justifiable reasons. And yes we do contribute a lot to the Tanzanian economy even though we are not there. Its a shame that when i have to go back HOME - bongo, i have to apply for visa.
ReplyDeleteMwanga-UK
Sina uhakika kama Tanzania inakataa kuwapa uraia watu waliozaliwa nje ya nchi. Nilifikiri mtanzania ni yule wa kuzaliwa na wazazi ambao ni watanzania bila kujali kazaliwa wapi?
ReplyDeletei am glad Jaduong Metty you have seen how short minded some of our so called "intellectuals" are,then from there you can judge the products they produce.
ReplyDeletewhat TZ is supposed to do is make sure national ID and necessary controls are there before starting dual citizenship bt not running away from it due to biased arguments.
nice arguments.
Excuse my ignorance,Jivaz, but what do you exactly mean by 'registration'? or are you just trying to clutch at straws and dismiss a perfectly eloquent and well presented point on this subject so far??
ReplyDeleteUDSM so called inteletuals and our 'leaders' reply please!
By the way, how many of the goverment officials' offsprings living abroad have a foreign passport on the quiet? just a thought!
Jaduong Metty and Mkwelele, Good Job! I am with you guys.
ReplyDeleteRashid, Japan
mshika mawili moja humponyoka. sasa kama unamtumia pesa mduguyo huko shirati kuna tofauti gani ukipata dual citizenship si utaendelea tu kutuma, tena bora hao wasomi wanaopinga dual citizenship maana wanajua wasomi wote watachukua dual citizenship na watahamia nchi nyingine itakuwa taabu kwa nchi iliyowasomesha, mliukana uraia wenu sasa mnataka kurudi kinyemela.
ReplyDeletehoja ya uraia wa nchi mbili safi sana,lakini inapingwa na wachache wasio tazama mbali,kutokana na ulokole wa kisiasa kuna watu wachache sana,wamekuwa na sababu zao za kibinafsi za kupinga uraia wa nchi nyingi.
ReplyDeletemtazamo wa wanao upinga uraia wa nchi mbili...ni sawa na watu vipofu wasiona wapi tunaelekea.
Katika kumbukumbu zangu mwinshoni mwa miaka 80s.Jaji Nyarali na kamati yake walipewa kazi ya kukusanya maoni na kuyachambua kama TANZANIA INAHITAJI MFUMO WA VYAMA VINGI? baadhi ya wasioona mbali walisema hatuhitaji...badala yake ikagundulika kuwa Tanzania hisipokuwa na mfumo wa vya vingi tutachwa nyuma,tukaukubali mfumo huu tulionao.
Na kadhalika kuhusu "uraia wa nchi nyingi" utakubaliwa na bunge tunachokisubiri ni wakati muhafaka.
kwani uraia wa nchi nyingi unaonekana una maslahi kwa baadhi ya watanzania,na kama una maslahi kwa baadhi ya wananchi sio dhambi kuwaruhusu watanzania wenye uwezo na njia ya kuwa na uraia zaidi ya moja
UDSM ni mwendo wa "desa" ndio maana unashangaa hao ma Dr. walivyokuwa single minded.Mh. Rais alivyosema pale DC watu wanaotaka uraia wa nchi mbili quote " bado kuna wazee wanasita sita maana wanasema wanataka wafaidi huku na kule" Hayo ni mawazo ya wasomi wanaomshauri mkuu!
ReplyDeleteMy friend your article is too long, laking rythm on it. First let me say that I support dual citizenship because it will increase our human and financial resources.
ReplyDeleteI strongly disagree with you when you say that bacuse our GDP is low compared to Kenya and Uganda that will not make them attracted to come to our Cuontry. My quetion to you is our GDP higher than Chine? then why are they all over our Country? Also try avoid generalisation, couple of scholer`s opinion does not represent the whole UDSM point of view unless you have documented proof of the whole University`s view on the issue. By the way I live in the U.S too.
Michuzi
ReplyDeleteDont take me too seriously but just listen to what I have to say
Bil awal, wengi wetu hatufahamu kwa makini all this DUAL CITIZENSHIP question, to many its the thought of having two different passports that you can take on holidays in turn. In fact its a pretty serious thing to do to take dual citizenship and the demands differ from any two combination of nations.
If I had Tanzanian/British citizenship and I live and work in the UK does it mean I have to pay taxes in the UK and not Tanzania or to both countries
What are my voting rights, am I allowed to vote and stand for elections in both countries
A friend of mine has Overseas Citizenship of India, is there Overseas citizenship of Tanzania?
If I took British citizenship, has Tanzania got a law that automatically cancels by "birth right"citizenship of Tanzania or technically I have automatic dual citizenship, one by birth and one by choice
I may be wrong but I think in Libya you can go to high court and explain why as a Libyan you need a British passport,dont you think that will remove all these subtle implications that its purely for greed of a better economic climate
I think there is enough here for the smart guys to rubbish.
KEEP THE HOME FIRES BURNING as the Irish would say
MICHUZI. HUJATENDA HAKI KUPOST MAONI YA MTU ANAYETUMIA LUGHA YA MATUSI KUTOA MAONI YAKE. KWA KUWA TU UNATOFAUTIANA NA Dr MSOKA &co KULIANGALIA TATIZO LA DUAL CITIZENSHIP, SIYO BUSARA, KATIKA ULIMWENGU WA DEBATES, KUITA MAWAZO YANAYOPINGANA NA YAKO KUWA NI "STUPID" REASONING. NI VIZURI KUDEBATE ISSUES KWA HESHIMA. HOJA YAKO INAWEZA KUWA NZURI, LAKINI KWA KUKOSA HEKIMA, KIASI CHA KUSHAMBULIA HOJA ZINAZOPINGANA NA ZAKO KUWA NI ZA KIPUMBAVU, UNAVUNJA NGUVU YA HOJA YAKO MWENYEWE. WEWE NI DIKTETA WA MAWAZO UNAYETAKA WATU WAROMANTICIZE MAWAZAO YAKO TU.
ReplyDeleteMDAU.
ISITOSHE JINA LILILOTUMIKA KUONYESHA MWANDISHI, UNAYEJITAMBULISHA KAMA MTU WA SHIRATI, HALIONYESHI HIVYO. UMEFICHA IDENTITY YAKO, LAKINI UANDISHI, HUU, MFUMO HUU WA UANDISHI, NA SHIRATI, NI WAZI KUWA NI JOHN MASHAKA.
SIYO BUSARA KUYAONA MAWAZO YANAYOPINGA HOJA ZAKO KUWA NI YA KIPUMBAVU. INATOSHA TU KUONYESHA UDHAIFU WA HOJA HIZO BILA KUTUMIA MATUSI.
I can see your point.I guess Tanzanian should probably wake up and smell the coffee.
ReplyDeleteVery good explanations.For my few friends of UDSM,if that is how you guys are reasoning while denouncing dual citizenship no wonder our level of education is hanging on a cliff.You guys have to realize that you are the educaters,still the form four and for msix results have been going south at least 8% annually for almost a decade.Why dont you guys challenge your elected officials just to get medical treatment at muhimbili by patriotic tanzanian doctors.Why do they spend taxpayers'money for medical treatment by unpatriotic doctors(non UDSM scholars) in western countries? What's wrong with muhimbili patriotic doctors? What's wrong if I choose to study in the US interacting with those travelling to the international space station instead of graduating at muhimbili and being despised by goverment leaders? Why dont our leaders sit down with our economist(ex UDSM patriot)in eradicating poverty instead they beg money from unpatritic westerners? Why you are so unsecured with dual citizenship,what are you afraiding of? Is it a mistake to acqure a citizenship of anoteher country fo medical reason since I'm unwilling to end-up my life at muhimbili? Do you guys think minister Membe is crazy fighting for dual citizenship.I beleave he weighed the advantages and disadvantages before end up with that conclusion.I commend him.
ReplyDeleteGood article but the frequent use of the word 'stupid' dilutes the strength of its contents. Show how 'stupid' an argument is and let the reader conclude that an argument was stupid.
ReplyDeleteI LOVE THIS ARTICLE.....THANK YOU METTY.
ReplyDeleteDesperation ndio inawafanya vijana watukanee na kutumia lugha za matusi. Wako desperate kweli kweli kiasi kwamba badala ya kutoa nguvu za hoja wanatoa hoja za mabavu zenye matusi ndani yake. Na uhakika wa 100% wengi wenu pamoja na kuishi nje hamuwezi kumfikia huyo msomi wa UDSM.
ReplyDeleteSasa tuone kama hayo matusi yenu yatawapatia hiyo dual citizenship mwaka huu, maana mmefika mahali mpaka tunajiuliza why are these people ambao waliukana uraia wa TZ are so desperate now, mpaka mtu akitoa maoni yake wanamshambulia kwa matusi?
1. Je ni kwa sababu mnataka kupiga kura kwenye uchaguzi wa mwaka huu, maana hamuishi kuwaita Watanzania wa vijijini wanaoichagua CCM kila mwaka ni wajinga, kwa hiyo nyie werevu mnataka kuja kupiga kura kuongeza kura za upinzani?
2. Je mnataka kugombea nafasi za uongozi za juu kama Ubunge (Ubunge unalipa TZ baada ya 5 years unaondoka na almost 46m mbali na maposho na mshahara anaopata mbunge) au hata urais? Maana mazungumzo yenu ya nyuma ni kumpendekeza John Mashaka kwenye nafasi ya kisiasa, kumbe masikini sio raia wa Tanzania? Je nia ni hiyo kugombea nafasi za uongozi?
3. Je huko mliko kwenye maziwa na asali. maziwa yamegeuka mtindi, na asai imegeuka pombe ya kienyeji? Hapa ninamanisha kutokana na kuanguka kwa uchumi wa Magharibi, maslahi yaliyowapeleka huko hayapo tena hali ni ngumu kutokana na recession kwa hiyo mnataka kipindi hiki kigumu, mkimbilie Tanzania mkafanye kazi huku, kipindi wazawa wa magharibi wakishatengamaza uchumi, mrudi huko huko kufaidi tena?
Maana hakuna moja linaloeleweka mnalosema, mtu mmoja akitoa hoja kabla haijajadiliwa mnakimbilia kutishia mjadala kwa matusi. Mtuambie kuwa tunataka dual citizenship kwa sababu TUNATAKA NA SISI KUCHANGIA PATO LA TAIFA KWA KULIPA KODI YA MAPATO/INCOME TAX. Hapo nitaona mmetoa sababu ya maana, lakini eti huwa namtumia mamangu Shirati pesa ya kutumia, huko Shirati ukituma £50 sawa sawa umetuma matumizi ya mwaka mzima, ni kijijini, sana sana atanunua sukari, chumvi siku ya soko.Hata Watanzania waliopo TZ wanaishi mjini nao hutuma matumizi vijijini so it's not a big deal!
Jaduong Metty, well done, I support you 100%
ReplyDeleteMdau, EU
Mtoa hoja hapa amejitahidi licha ya kutoa hoja zingine ambazo ni dhahiri hazina nguvu.
ReplyDeleteAlichoniudhi pamoja na mimi mwenyewe kuunga mkono hoja ya uraia wa nchi mbili ni MATUSI aliyotumia kucharua hoja ya Dr Calman. Namfahamu Dr Msoka nimesoma naye hapa Minnesota University.Ni muungwana na msomi mzuri.Alichokiandika ni maoni yake na yenye maana kwani yeye alikaa hapa Marekani na laipomaliza masomo yake akaondoka kwenda kulitumikia taifa lake.Kwa hiyo hoja yake ina msingi kabisa.
Kama walivyosema wengine kuwatukania na kuwajumlisha wasomi wote wa Chuo kikuu cha DSM ni kutukana kusiko na kipimo.Ni vema ujue kuwa UDSM ina wasomi wengi sana na sidhani kama wote walikuwa kwenye hoja hiyo.Wewe mtoa hoja wa Shiratini uwe mwangalifu mno pamoja na kujidai uko hapa Marekani si waranti ya kujiona una haki zaidi ya wengine katika kutoa hoja.Hata sisi wote wengine tuko hapa Marekani sasa tunataka kumtishioa nani?Nyumbani ni nyumbani nendeni kawekeni vitega uchimi acheni kelele za matusi yasiyo na kichwa wala miguu.
Hoja ya uraia wa nchi mbili naiunga mkono sana ila nawachukia wanaotukana wenzao kwani hoja ni hoja tu hata kama unaiona wewe haifai toa ya kwako kieleweke
period.
Wahenga wanasema be careful what you wish for and you cant eat your cake and have it too. Most people in here wanashabikia dual citizenship kwasababu wanaona itakavyowabenefit wao. Wakijaipata ten or twenty years down the road watu hawa hawa wataanza kulalamika jinsi 'watanzania wa passport' wamezidi nchini. Anyway mtoto akililia wembe mpeni. Endeleeni na justification zenu wee mpaka mpewe. Tuombe mungu uzima tuyaone.
ReplyDeleteHiyo idea kwamba being a citizen of another country restricts you from invensting in your own country is bullocks. How many foreigners have populated Tanzania doing big business without the need of our passport. Sisi tatizo letu tunapenda hand outs. Na wengine hii imewakaa kwenye damu no matter how 'educated' they percieve themselves. As a Tanzanian in the US, I think its your own personal choice to decide to revoke one citizenship for another. The government should be spending the much needed attention on people who actually have problems.
Wacheni kupenda handouts jamani.
Mwandishi Mobale nilikusikia Houston ukijadili hili suala kwa pointi kichizi mpaka ukumbi ukashangilia, hebu andika makala tupate pointi zaidi. Mjadala utasaidia sana huu tulioko hewani. Bongo kuna watu wana kiwivu.
ReplyDeleteanony,feb21:08:16...GET A LIFE!!!!.....
ReplyDeletehii DUAL CITIZENSHIP..watu wamesema inapingwa na wenye wivu!!..and good example is this guy!..embu muoneni...alivyopoteza muda wake kuonyesha mawivu yake!..hovyo kabisaa!!...
****3. Je huko mliko kwenye maziwa na asali. maziwa yamegeuka mtindi, na asai imegeuka pombe ya kienyeji? Hapa ninamanisha kutokana na kuanguka kwa uchumi wa Magharibi, maslahi yaliyowapeleka huko hayapo tena hali ni ngumu kutokana na recession kwa hiyo mnataka kipindi hiki kigumu, mkimbilie Tanzania mkafanye kazi huku, kipindi wazawa wa magharibi wakishatengamaza uchumi, mrudi huko huko kufaidi tena? ...
JITIE TU KITANZI...!!!!!
Nafikiri Mr.Msoka kabla ya kujadili haya maswala na vijana wake anaotaka kuwa brain wash angewaambia kuna scholarship ishirini na tano za kwenda shule U.S wanachotakiwa kufanya ili wapate hizo scholarship ni kuandika barua inayosema KWA NINI WANATAKA KUONDOKA MLIMANI NA KWENDA KUSOMA NJE.Barua 25 bora zishinde.
ReplyDeleteMETTY NASHUKURU SANA KWA ARTICLE NZURI ULIYOTUPOSTIA..YAANI AFADHALI UMEONA JNSI GANI SHIKAJI CHAKI UKIWA MKUBWA UNAPOTEZA HATA NGUVU YA KUONA PENGINE.....EXPERENCE NI KITU KINGINE KABISA...WAJE KUUSHI NJE HALAFU WATAFIKIRIA TENA WANAYOSEMA KUWAILIMISHA WANANCHI.....WELL DONE MR METTY.
ReplyDeleteNdugzu zangu Watanzania munaopinga uraia wa nchi mbili, naomba leo nitoe chagizo dogo tu; kwanini nahitaji huu uraia wa nchi mbli au zaidi: Kwa leo sitaongelea faida isipokuwa nitapenda muelewe uraia wangu harisi ni wa Tanzania huu ni wangu wa kuzaliwa, uraia mwingine nilioupata ni wa kupewa(makaratasi),hivyo aliyenipa bado ana haki ya kuninyang'anya kwa kadili atakavyoona.Hivyo ndugu zangu leo nawapa mulione hilo.Baadaye nitawapa kwa kirefu faida ya kuwa na WATANZANIA WENYE URAIA WA NCHI MBILI AU ZAIDI.
ReplyDeletenamuunga mkono aliyesema kutukana matusi hakufai, hao wanaotukana matusi ndio hao wanang,ang,ania dual citizenship, wakumbuke waliotutawala waafrika walikuwa wanatutukana matusi hayo hayo oohh waafrika washenzi,sasa mtu yuko nje anaita wasomi wetu stupid kwa kuwa anaishi nje. ebu aandikie wasomi huko aliko kuwa ni stupid kama hakupigwa P.I, hiyo dual citizenship itawasaidia wachache watu kama wa richmond n.k ndio maana wasomi wanaikataa, msianzishe vita ya walionacho na wasionacho,wa TZ TUACHE KUIGA
ReplyDeleteto my fellow Shash..
ReplyDeleteregistration means official document or details which confirm a certain person is a citizen of the certain country which will be recognized internationally. I guess u undrstood, people who living abroad they know exactly what registration means...this is important because people will be recognized as citizen of Tanzania before issuing other citizenship.
Tanzania must provide citizenship to its people before offer dual citizenship.. Most of people still live without document which is very dangarous if dual citizenship will be granted Shash.
God bless Africa, God bless Tanzania.
Jivaz-Austria.
Kwa anon wa Feb 21, 08:16 kuhusu KUCHANGIA PATO LA TAIFA KWA KULIPA KODI YA MAPATO ni kwamba wabeba boksi wote hukatwa kodi ya mapato katika nchi walizomo, ambayo huchangia katika mkoba ambao ndi chanzo cha pesa unazosikia zinaitwa za WAFADHILI (asilimia 40 ya bajeti ya taifa). Ukisikia Marekani wametoa bilioni kadhaa kwa tanzania, hizo pesa hazidondoki kama mvua, ni pesa za walipakodi 9wakiwemo wabeba maboksi wa kibongo). ukilielewa hilo vizuri, basi utaona ni kwa nini watu wanasema dunia imeishakuwa kijiji - hela inatoka hapa inaingia hapa na kurudi pale kwa namna tofauti - na kwa hivyo uraia wa nchi mbili ni kuboresha mchakato huo ambao nao utaboresha maisha ya Watanzania walio nje na ndani!! kumnyima mtanzania anayeishi nje uraia wa tanzania ni kutomtendea haki. Yule aliye ndani ya Tanzania hahitaji uraia wa nchi nyingine mpaka hapo haja itakapokuwepo - kama si yeye leo ni mtoto au mjukuu wake kesho. Wabomgo tuachane na huo ambao mdau hapo juu kwa usahihi ameuita 'ulokole' wa miaka ya 47. Utandawazi tayari umeishafunguliwa milango, na uraia wa nchi mbili na kajisehemu tu ka mdudu huyu asiye na kinga!!!!
ReplyDeleteUCHUMI MBONA UMEHARIBIKA KILA SEHEMU, SIYO MAGHARIBI PEKE YAKE. TUNATAKA KUWATOLEA VUMBI TUWAWEKEE LAMI NA MADARAJA NA DRAINAGE SYSTEM......
ReplyDeleteyaani ni ivi nyie wote mnaotaka DUAL CITIZENSHIP bila maelezo yenye AKILI km uyu alopost hapa anavoongea kwa jazba na bado HANA POINT ALOIWEKA
ReplyDeletekama kweli wewe una uchungu na usongo wa dual citizenship andika point 1-10 kwanini ni muhimu kwa wataznzania ili kila mtu aelewe na kutoa hoja zake pia,sio KULALAMA NA KUTOA MIFANO YA MWANAO SIJUI KAZALIWA USA SIJUI BIBI MSHASHI!!
mnaboa sana nyie watu msio na point,unawakandia uyo prf na UDSM ilhali ww mwenyewe akili kunyuma,,
TOA POINT ADVANTAGE Vs DISADVANTAGE
ovyo sana ili debate
...naendelea tena kusema...
ReplyDeletekwanini hamuwezi changia hii mada adi mtukane na uonekane na WEWE MTOA MADA YOU ARE SO STUPID?
toa point why dual citizenship,maana hamueleweki ata kidogo unapoandika kwa jabza na out of point like this...
iki kitu me sikijui kiivo BUT nataka watu wenye akili timamu watoe hoja za nguvu pasi kutkana previous person alotoa comment zake..
tatizo wengi wetu tukifika majuu tunajiunga na megenge ya kihuni tu,wachache sana wana +ve vision na decent life/job/schooling
annon 08:16:00pm well said!!pple need to grow
Wow, thank you for making this excellent point. I will soon be sworn to be an American Citizen and the idea that I am going to lose my Tanzanian citizenship really bugs me. I will always be a Tanzanian at heart, and I wish those Tanzanian lawmakers would join the rest of world by authorizing dual citizenship instead of marginalizing its citizens who lives abroad. I would like to run for office one day in TZ, but that may not happen once I become a US citizen.
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So is this what you learn for being a 'diaspora'???Using Nasty words when building your stand...And what Makes you think that everyone against 'Dual citizenship'never lived abroad??....
ReplyDeleteMr Jaduang you put it just right, I cant put it better. I just want to add a lil bit on that.I don't know why this debate is being framed on things like patriotism . I would advice those who are trying to do that to look on human history , human migration and factors which affect them . It is so depressing to read articles from professors and educated cast from UDM , siting patriotism on question of dual citizenship. I believe that the only way to get to the sound , fair and reasonable decision about the matter is by having a honest , factual and respectful debate. I expected the educated cast to lead a meaningful and positive debate instead of trying to silence one side by calling them unpatriotic . I believe that dual citizenship is the way to go. But I am open minded person if the other side can convince me otherwise factually I might change my mind .
ReplyDeleteIt is utterly ridiculous to try to dismiss or even belittle Metty's otherwise valid arguments for dual citizenship citing his usage of the word "stupid".
ReplyDeleteHe has not called anyone "stupid", but rather their arguments and reasoning, an inference he has clearly substantiated. You don't agree, fine, challenge his observations accordingly.
It is far easier for those who are against dual citizenship to engage in strawman-like arguments rather than in critically examining the veracity of Metty's points. Not unlike a typical case of "mbwa mpe jina baya ili umuue" way of avoiding the inevitable.
And for the record, I'm all for dual citizenship.
Dual citizenship is useful and it is beneficial but not clear if and when it will be granted. While the debate continues, there should atleast be an interim provision introduced immediately that recognizes the spirit of dual status for Tanzanian.
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