“Tanzania greatly likes to be recognized for her ‘Internationalist’ policies, with her leaders spending more time strutting the world than they do in their own country, though the facts show they are quite parochial,” …Gitau Warigi, Sunday Nation, Nov.30th 2008.
Few days ago, I came across a very hot debate and heated discussion on the issue of East Africa Integration. Sparked by an editor/writer for the Sunday Nation newspaper of Kenya’s Daily Nation group, I was impressed mostly with his seemingly frustrated and acerbic comments on the side with which Tanzania stand with regard to the issue of EAC.
It seems that there is lifelong and on-going antagonism between Kenyans and Tanzanians, hopefully for good; deplorably useless.
If the East African union is truly in our endeavours, then the antagonism has to stop and end. Mr. Gitau Warigi seem to be a fervent supporter of the EAC, probably the most ardent of all. But he should realise that his either full disdain and contempt of Tanzanians and its leaders or his veritable sense of urgency for the community is not useful.
The idea of East Africa Community is grandiose, to say the least. When all other countries in the Western hemisphere are uniting, Africa as a continent should also unite. This is a dream that will soon be realized. Let alone the Eastern part of Africa.
Due to the charisma and intellect of Tanzanians, the world’s largest International body in the name of UN, hosts one of theirs as a deputy Secretary-General. Its leaders chairs various organisations around the world, notably The African Union, Pan-African Parliament, et cetera.
The strutting with which these leaders undertake supposedly with affected air in International meetings, or the time they spend abroad much more than at home is not with vain. Its leaders have realized that Tanzania as a country is not well known outside the continent of Africa. In fact, inside the continent itself a lot of people are oblivious with Tanzania.
There is a compelling need to advertise the country and the people of Africa in general. For example, Mount Kilimanjaro is still thought to be in Kenya. In a world of interdependence and globalisation, social, political and economic needs are intertwined and shared, hence the significance of International meetings and organisations.
These facts on its people and positions of its leaders are not happenstance. They are merits inherent in the Swahili culture. The idea of unity is cherished by most of the East African leaders and people, envisioned largely by the late Mwl. Julius Nyerere.
There are still some difficulties entwined in the EAC that needs to be solved before the full integration of the region. I have come across many Kenyans over the years. Most seem to have a snobbish attitude with their knowledge and use of ‘English’ language, either broken or grammar, properly accented or vulgar.
In fact, this is the language of the British subjects. It’s one of the striking legacies of colonialism that Kenyans feel proud and dare to criticise its neighbours with their knowledge of English language. As a Tanzanian myself, I speak for many with a good mastery of this extraneous language.
It’s only my disregard of this language and the overall silence of Tanzanians that little is heard of them.
I’m much more proud of my Swahili language than English. And if Mr. Gitau Warigi would seriously love to see the East Africa Community blossom into maturity, he should use his position and career to further the use of Swahili language, not English.
We’re the Africans, the Bantus and neighbours who could communicate and understand each other clearly and comfortably through Swahili language. English should be a secondary vehicle of communication. Never will my mastery of English language act to flaunt my ego, nor even disserve the esteem I have on others.
Currently, the globalisation wave is playing large a role to create jobs in East Africa. Thanks to the policies of laissez faire insisted by the IMF and World Bank. Unfortunately, to fill up the job vacancies, English language is a necessary requirement, the fact that sees many Kenyans filling job opportunities.
Either because of the English language or the environment, there are more Kenyans in Tanzania than there are Tanzanians in Kenya. It’s completely unfair to have the indigenous people losing jobs to Kenyans when Tanzanians themselves are hustling daily in search of jobs. It’s because of this fact that Tanzanians needs time to adjust to the existing yet transient needs of English language and tapping of its resources before full integration of the region.
Recently, there has been a rampant wave of bank robberies as part of heinous crimes unpopular in Tanzania. Many a people have justifiably pointed fingers at foreigners. The objection of Identity cards and a favour for passports is a telling proof that Tanzania is trying to protect itself before the free movement of the regional people who bring with them illegal weapons and drugs.
It is true that the economy of Kenya is stronger than that of Tanzania. But Tanzania has far more conducive environment for 21st local and foreign investments than its neighbours; another attribute of Swahili culture that has valued peace and understanding of its many tribes.
As a matter of fact, neighbours, the likes of Kenya have much more to gain from Tanzania and the community as a whole because of the resources in Tanzania. I’m not speaking to counter Warigi’s accusations, but rather the facts. Tanzanite, tourism from Kilimanjaro, human infrastructure…you name it.
The best way to advance the regional integration (EAC) is through a slow yet sure emphasis with the use of Swahili language as a wherewithal for bridging the gap of economic needs of the East Africans. Once this become a reality, the requirement of English knowledge before employment will be delegated. Then respect and mutual regard for one another will be enhanced.
Of course English language is necessary in our modern world since it’s spoken globally and the simple means of acquiring a job. Other needs like identity cards should be second and followed with caution.
This caution is buoyed by a need to have peace in Great Lakes regions first and foremost. European Union was not achieved in one day. It took time.
mokes O. gama…
Tanzanian in U.S.
Michuzi,
ReplyDeleteWamelingua kopo la minyoo!!! watalifunga au walitupe shimoni.Kwa taarifa yao; tukisubiri kidogo katika muungano huu, sisi tutakuwa Waingereza (not fully kwenye muungano)but the main beneficiary na wao watakuwa Wafaransa, Paparikia na ikawatokea puani.
Kazi kwenu Jiungeni na USA.
The writer (mkenya) is confused abit. The only thing they want fom us is our land. How many Tanzanians are working in Kenya? You dare they will marginalize you,if you are lucky,or kill you. Here they are everywhere starting from salons to hotels. If they are serious with their visionary leaders,they should forge ahed and have their own federation. We've been with thenm in schools and work. Apart from english,many are just vilaza. Seriously!
ReplyDeleteAhsante sana Mokes, that is true patriotism, and you have given true facts. Michuzi can't we have this article published in our papers Daily news and The Citizen so this Rig guy whoever he is gets it loud and clear? Watanzania, we need to be true to ourselves,hata kama kuna mapungufu, you have to stand straight and proud and be there for the counrty.
ReplyDeleteI agree with all comments, I would like also to congratulate Tanzania Government for bieng very wise in making these tough dicisions- the pace that Kenya's have for the East Africa intergration should be discouraged, they do so because of what is so called "UCHU"- I think we are far better if we stay at SADC and let them move on if they can: after all what is holding them from intergration of the EA community (wapuuzi kabisa)
ReplyDeleteHawa wakenya wameona Tanzania ni land of opportunity. Wanataka kukumbilia wote huku. Mdau hongera umefafanua vizuri sana. I am proud to a Tanzanian.
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Dar
wanataka kuwa kama wapoland walivyojaa uingereza, wanasema sisi maskini sasa kwa nini wanatung`ang`ang`ania si waanzishe muungano wao kama tutaona una mafanikio tutakuja kwani hawawezi kuanzisha bila sisi, km hawawezi kuanzisha muungano bila tanzania basi wana mapungufu, tumeshaanza kutangaza mlima kilimanjaro uko tz labda watalii wamepungua kwao kwa hiyo na ajira zimepungua huko kwao
ReplyDeletemuungano waliuvunja wakachukua ndege zote za EAC sasa wanataka tuungane ili wauvunje wachukue vitu vingine, shenzi kabisa hawa hawana maana, uchumi wetu sasa hivi unakua ukienda huko kwao barabara mbaya waulize abiria wanaopita kenya kuelekea mwanza yaani barabara zetu ni nzuri sana walikuwa wanatucheka hatuna mabugando ya maana lakini majengo makubwa na ya kisasa yanachanua kila kona ya nchi, tanzania bila EAC inawezekana,
One of agendas that JK campaign on was the creation of jobs for the Tanzanians.
ReplyDeleteI thinking its time that we embark on policies that will benefit us."TANZANIASATION"!!!!
I am not being xenophobic but how many Tanzanians have qualifications and can’t get a job within their own country??
We need to have guidelines for employers that will give priorities to the local population to fill up top jobs etc and not import workers, and no low level position given out to foreigners. It’s understandable if it’s a unique profession and we don’t have it. But hell we have accountants from Kenya etc!! Come on people.
At the same time, we Tanzanians need to pull up our socks and face the competition. There is so much the Government can do for us but there is a lot we can do for ourselves.
With globalization comes strings attached to it, a country’s internal policy can have a major affect on its dealings with its neighbors etc.
Our neighbors’ (Kenyans particularly) have the sense of taking risk and fighting for it! I don’t blame them for they had to go through a system which one had to struggle for ones needs. We were protected via Ujamaa, but we have to come out of it and realize that economically we need to take risks and fight for it. But let ujamaa remain in uniting us. Living outside of Tanzania, I see how ujamaa has helped to unite us. It is envied by a lot of our neighbours.
Bart Simpson
Ati! bado mwabisha? Hamtaki kujiunga kwa hii jumuia, kwani ni kwa faida ya nani kama sio nyie poor people? Hivi hamjui kuwa Kenya ni taifa kubwa? Hebu oneni vile Obama alivyoshinda huo uchaguzi huko US kwani hamjui kuwa Obama ni Mkenya? Na kwa kuwa yu mkenya basi na wakenya wote ni washakuwa raia wa US! Hamjui hiyo, ndiyo maana hata Warigi aliandika vile kwa kuwa yu proud now he is kenyan Us citizen hamjajua bado? Sasa! Sasa na sie Kenya twataka kuwa kama US kwa sababu in principle tushakuwa citizen wa US, hamkuona kuwa vile tulishereheka na ushindi wa Obama kwa day off! Hatukwenda kazini kwa vile tulijifeel proud, na tutaendelea kujifeel proud na sasa mwasemaje? Ngoja! Ngoja vile niendelee na sie wacitizen wa Kenya kuwa citizen wa US automatically, nasi twataka kuwa kama US, sasa! kwani hamuoni jinsi US inavyojikusanyia makoloni ya resources! sasa! Kwani hamjui hiyo! Hamjui kuwa US inatafuta resources kwa njia ya vita! Sasa! Sisi wakenya tunataka hii Kenya yetu iwe taifa kubwa kama US tena tukusanye na resources za waTZ kwa sababu wao bali wangali walala usingizi eti bado wana makovu ya usoshalisti hawajui kuwa hii dunia ishabadilika na Kenya ishakuwa tajiri kama US kwa sababu ya Obama! Sasa!
ReplyDeleteBado mwaendelea kubisha! Hata vile nilieleza yoote ati bado mwabisha! Ngoja hapo uncle Obama atakavyotuma majeshi ya US kuja kutusaidia kuchukua hiyo inchi, kwanza ka nchi Kenyewe kadogo, kamejaa umasikini wa kutupwa! Afadhali hii Kenya yetu iko na utajiri na mashamba makubwa ya wazungu wetu wanauza flowers na vegetables huko UK kwa fair trade! Hamjui bado! Ngoja hiyo siku ifike ndio mtajua kuwa sie ni Kenya US UK. Eeh nilitaka kusahau jambo ingine, hata wa UK nao washaanza kujikomba kwetu kwa sababu ya Obama, nasi tushakuwa allies eeh hamjui kuwa sasa mkitaka visa lazima muombe kutoka Nairobi!
Na tena wazungu wanatupenda kutuweka nafasi za juu hata kama hatujasoma kwa vile tu ni hodari wa kazi na hatuna hiyo maneno ya ndugu, ndugu, ati ndugu, ndugu kazini ndugu ni nyumbani kwako, ndani ya nyumba yako! Ati kila mtu ndugu, kila mahala ndugu basi tukishakuwa ma HR manager, waTZ huipata fresh ati kuna labour laws, ndio nini hiyo, ni kazi tu hakuna cha labour laws wala nini ni kazi tu! Tena kama hamuoni kuwa kuwa HR tunapata nafasi ya kuingiza ndugu zetu kiurahisi! Eeeh tena mwafikiri kuwa tunasema ukweli kwenye documents mtunyime kazi na hayo malaws yenu ya uhamiaji, huwa twasema na sie ni WaTZ ila wazungu wanajua kuwa sie ni wakenya, na hatukuja kucheza!Sasa!
Proud Kenyana US UK citizen!
Ninavyoona
ReplyDeleteWaTanzania tuwe makini na ikiwezekana mchakato mzima wa kuunda jumuiya ufe kabisa wenzetu wanataka kutufanyia "Terrorism" kwa sababu wanazozijua wao wenyewe ...
Kama kuna umuhimu wa kuwa na jumuiya basi ni vizuri lakini sio kwa kulazimisha kuungana
Hata ndoa huwa hailazimishwi ni hiari
Yaani ni sawa sawa mwanamke au mwanamume analimisha ndoa bila ya ridhaa ya mwenziwe.
Tutaamua pale tutakapoona kwamba inafaa.
Wamuombe Obama wawe jimbo la USA
ReplyDeleteBig up Mokes,thumbs up you gave the so called WAGIRI the dose of your medicine. I think this should also be forwarded to wagiri even before being published to a newspaper if it will anyway.
ReplyDeleteTanzanians we should be proud of ourselves and our country, no matter what goes wrong in our country we should not go against each other and support the outsiders. We can urgue on various matters concerning our country but not for the sake of supporting strangers or loosers like Wagiri.
As far as EAC is concerned We TANZANIANS may wait as long as the end of the world just to make sure that we are doing things at the right time - when we are ready. Kenyans they know what they are missing and losing due to the delay of EAC wana UCHU mkubwa sana na resources zetu..... WIZI MTUPU.
Mwana-dada.
Hongera muandishi wa article hii, mengi uliyosema nakubaliana nayo. Siwezi kusema yote ila ningelipenda kuchangia jambo moja kuu uliligusia nalo ni la ajira.
ReplyDeletenaomba kunukuu pale uliposema "Currently, the globalisation wave is playing large a role to create jobs in East Africa. Thanks to the policies of laissez faire insisted by the IMF and World Bank. Unfortunately, to fill up the job vacancies, English language is a necessary requirement, the fact that sees many Kenyans filling job opportunities."
well said, ila ningelitowa wazo kwa watanzania wote kujulishana pale panapotokea nafasi za kazi, wapi tunaweza kuna matangazo ya ajira hizo (website links nk) na wale ambao tayari wamo katika sekta hizo wachukuwe jukumu la kuwashituwa watanzania mara tu nafasi zinapotangazwa. Tuutumieni ukumbi huu na blog yengine maarufu za kitanzania kuzitangaza nafasi za kazi kila tuzionapo. Tupo watanzania wengi mikoani na mijini tuliosoma na tunajiua kiingilishi lakin jatuoni matangazo ya nafasi hizo za kazi, labda kama michuzi na wengineo wakianzisha kampeni ya kuhakikisha kila tangazo walionalo wanalibandika hapa. Wapo watanzania wengi nje ya nchi wenye elimu yao na kiingilishi sio tatizo ila malipo ya mishahara ndio inayowazuia kurudi nyumbani, labda, nasema labda, kama kutakuwepo na sekta zenye kulipa vizuri wapo baadhi watakaorudi nyumbani.
Hongera Mokes points taken! Me sielewi nini wanachokitaka hawa akina kayai. Just becoz Obama won they think that they have won too in East Africa. There's a saying "charity begins at home" first they should unit btn themselves then waangalie mambo ya kuungana na nchi zingine.
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Ndugu yetu Mokes Goma,
ReplyDeleteShukrani kwa maoni yako yaliyochapishwa na Michuzi kwenye blogu yenu ya jamii.
Ila hukushughulikia ipasavyo mada iliyowasilishwa na Gitau. Badala ya kujibu tuhuma alizozitaja, ulipotea kama watanzania wengine waliochangia kwenye huu mjadala na kuanza kushambulia Wakenya na lugha ya Kiingereza.
Mimi nina mke mtanzania na ni mDoe wa Bagamoyo. Na nimeishi sana Tanzania na naelewa kwamba tukiyatoa makali yake fikra za Gitau ni sahihi na uchambuzi wake kuhusu jamii ya Tanzania ni ukweli mtupu. Ila tuseme tu alitumia lugha ya dharau na kejeli. Hii ndio makosa aliyofanya lakini kumbuka kwenye sanaa ya uandishi kuna mtindo unaoitwa polemics. Wewe unaonekana ni msomi wa kiwango fulani na njamba lenye uelewa mpana. Sasa basi fahamu kwamba lugha ya Kiingereza haina hatia na ni lugha kama zile zingine tu. Kwa taarifa yako Wakenya pia wanaongea Kiswahili na ni lugha rasmi nchini inayozungumzwa na asilimia 80 ya wananchi wa kawaida. Tanzania ikifuatiwa na Kenya ndio nchi mbili zenye watu wanaotumia lugha ya kiswahili kama lugha yao ya maisha ya kila siku. Au hujawahi kufika Kenya? Tena naona kama unakosea kwa kuweka msisitizo kwenye Uswahili wenu. Hakuna Uswahili ndani ya EPA, Richmond, Mkapa na wenzake, mauaji ya halaiki dhidi ya maalbino, utumwa wa watoto migodini, ubaguzi dhidi ya mikoa za mbeya ilichangia musafara wa JK kupigwa mawe alipozuru huko hivi majuzi. Kwa kifupi hakuna Uswahili tena ila kwa fikra tuu za watanzania wasomi na wachache wanaoishi mijini na wanaoishi in the past glory of the Nyererean days. So the argument about the peaceful nature of the present Tanzanian society and people is null and void.
Usituzingue.
Naomba nirejee kwenye lugha yetu rasmi ya pili - Kiingereza.
English is no longer a legacy of colonialism. That is an old school of thought. Language experts agree that languages just like other aspects of culture are dynamic systems. I will give you two examples. Look at Kiswahili. It originated in the Lamu archipelago around 900AD. I am sure if you are as proud of the language as you claim then you are aware of its history. The language spread southwards with time through Malindi, Mombasa, and Zanzibar. From Zanzibar the language found a new mission as the means of communication for the slave trade. The slavers brought the language to the Tanganyikand hinterland and beyond as they destroyed communities, cultures and kingdoms of the weak Tanganyikan people, many who had already suffered at the hands of the invading Ngunis from the South and the constant raids of the Tatog, Maasais and Arushas to the North. The Germans came in and saw a chance in using Kiswahili to govern you. Afterwards, Kiswahili was bolstered by British colonialism and missionary activities. Because Britain ruled in Kenya and Uganda as well, they saw the potential of spreading the language across the region. But to do so they needed to harmonise the many dialects of Kiswahili spoken across the region from Lamu to Lindi and from Bukoba to Nairobi. A strategy for language standardisation was developed. And in 1935 a high powered conference comprising of representatives of the Sultan of Zanzibar, educational officers from the three EA territories and mainly missionaries was held. It was agreed that the Zanzibari dialect be used as the standard dialect of the region. Obviously, you can read the politics in such a move when you remember what kind of cultural influence the Zanzibari Sultanate wielded at that time. And from that meeting the institution that mediated the use and standadisation of Kiswahili was nurtured upto its present form as the Institute of Kiswahili Research at UDSM in Tanzania (TUKI). Surely, you know this history from your schooling? No need to worry if you dont because you can google your own famous UDMS professor Mugyabuso Mulokozi and "Spread of Kiswahili" and read for yourself. So the argument about the importance of Kiswahili in Tanzania and its lack of importance in Kenya is null and void.
Usituzingue
Further Food for Thought
By the way, ever noticed that the Zanzibari dialect which is the version now called Tanzanian Kiswahili, with its many arabisms is not even the pure Bantu Swahili that you talk of. Therefore, what you call Uswahili is actually Ustaarabu which is a legacy you inherited from the Arab slavers of Zanzibar. For a Tanganyikan mshenzi as they used to call your forefathers, a slave could become civilised or attain ustaarabu by aping the arabs and their islamised coastal underlings such as the Zaramos and Does. Have you ever noticed that the coastal tanzanians still see themselves as superior or wastaarabu zaidi kuliko the people of Shinyanga, Mara, Kigoma and other "mikoani" or "vijijini"? It takes a hell lot of money and stuff for a sukuma youth to marry a Zigua or a Zaramo and I am sure you are Tanzanian enough to know what I say is true. The reason? The so-called Ustaarabu or what you choose to call Uswahili. So the true Uswahili is the spirit of the coastal intermingling of cultures, cemented by islamic notions of equality and enhanced by the fatalistic notion advanced by radical islam...i am poor because allah knows why and if allah says i should be so who am i to challenge his decision? This is the slave mentality that pervades the Tanzanian mind. You as a nation are still under the legacy of slavery which is even deeper than that of colonialism. Remember, Tanzania was never colonised as such. It was a territory of the League of Nations watched over by Britain. And Kenya and Uganda were never affected by the slave trade in the manner that your ancestors were. So whereas colonialism and Anglicization has played a bigger role to our present psychology as Kenyans, slavery and Arabicization is really the foundations of your national psychology. Of the two which is the worser illness? I would say the Tanzanian one for two reasons:
1. The meekness of the Tanzanian people even as their leaders and the corrupt political machine that is CCM enslave you is a good example. You cannot even dare protest a stolen election the way Kenyans can. Yet you call us uncivilised because we are willing to stand up and shed blood in pursuit of what we believe in, whether it is justice or equality.
2. The British SETTLED in Kenya. Kenya like Zimbwabwe are the few places the british converted into a settler colony. And what does your lesson in history teach you? All settler colonies in Africa were liberated through violence. Kenya and Zim won their independence through war and violence from the British. Algeria another settler colony won its independence through violence and war with the French. Angola another settler colony won its independence through war and violence. And in all these famous examples, historians agree the independent nation-states have inherited that legacy of violence as a political option when all other options fail. Our violent nature as Kenyans should therefore not surprise you. Our Kenyanness, our nation was built on the blood of proud men and women who could not take any bullshit lying down whether it was coming from a colonial superpower did not matter. And, we Kenyans, are taught that from an early age and carry our history and present character with a lot of pride. It is this pride that Tanzanians, whose meek approach to life is wellknown, find startling. I am sure you would be a very different set of people if the 1964 Mutiny had succeeded or if the capitalist Kambona had managed to become your president. So, men and women are never born violent or meek. It is their society and history that makes them so. We are who we are because of our Kenyanness and you are who you are because of your Tanzanianness. Our history of violent uprising against colonialism by the British and your history of violent enslavement by the Arabs makes us different but surely we can forge a new AFRICAN community for our descendant. The very act of a political federation in EA reminds us that our ancestors never recognised the present boundaries and fought each other and killed each other as equals and not as a superior race fighting an inferior one. We must decolonise the idea of Kenya. We must reject the idea of Tanzania and forge something higher to unite us beyond our histories and psychologies born out of colonialism and slavery. That is the spiritual goal of the EAC and later the EAF and later maybe our own USA. Your land is our land. Our land is yours. Your gold is our gold. Our diatomite is yours. And so on and so forth.
Mark my words: Your refusal to unite as Tanzanians with the rest of the region will be your downfall. We are now using strategies such as marrying your own women who love Kenyans and Ugandans for their hardwork and focus as family providers. You may dismiss such a point as upuuzi but deep down in your heart you know that this is happening and it already a cause of alarm. With the elite of Tanzania studying in Kenya and Uganda, tehy come back home with Kenyanized and Ugandanized, and often with a child or a spouse. It is a matter of time before this class of Tanzanian elites takes over the economic and political leadership and forcefully pull the rest of Tanzanians in the direction all the rest are heading. The political happenings in TZ today and the rise of the materialist culture is Dar are just a tip of what is to come.
Let us not fear being each others' keeper. Or would it hurt less to the Tanzanians if the criticism came from anyone else but not a Kenyan? (wink)
Enjoy the random thoughts there!
Mkenya mzalendo
We anon wa 12:30 PM, hebu tutolee Kiswahili chako kibovu hicho. Pengine ni vema ungeandika Kiingereza kama huyo Warigi ungeeleweka. Obama ni Mmarekani, mwenye asili ya Kikenya, hivyo haimfany yeye kuwa Mkenya kwa hilo, ana haki ya kuchagua ni uraia gani anao utaka, na jibu lipo wazi. Amechagulia ili kutumia Taifa la Kimarekani na si la Kenya, upuuzi wenu wa kuacha kwenda kazini (halafu mnajisifia kuwa nyinyi ni wafanyakazi hodari)na kusheherekea ushindi wa nchi nyingine, ni ulimbukeni mtupu, amkeni. Msitegemee kuwa mtapata misaada ili wakina Kibaki, Odinga na wengineo watie mifuni mwao kama kawaida ya viongozi wa Kiafrika walio wengi.
ReplyDeleteWatu wa EU wameamua kufanya uhuru kwa nchi zilizo jumuiya yao kwa kujua wana uwezo wa kuwapa kazi raia wao wengi, hata kama sio wote. Huku Kenya pengine nusu ya Wakenya hawana kazi, ndio maana tunawaona wanakuja kutaka kuiba Mabenki, sababu ya kukosa ajira. Tanzania yenyewe inahitaji kuweka msingi bora wa kazi kwa wananchi wake. Unahitajika mfumo mzuri wa vitambulisho, huwezi kuwaambia watu watemmbee kwa vitambulisho wakati nchi nyingine hawana, unategemea nini? Je jumuiya imefikiria nini kuhusu hilo au wamekurupuka tuu na kusema watu waruhusiwe kutembea nchi zote za jumuiya ya A. Mashariki kwa kutumia ID?
Muono wangu, Watz tusikubaliana na suala hili kabisa kwa sasa, na hongera viongozi wa serikali kwa kufanya uamuzi wa busara kwa kipindi hichi kigumu. Jirani zetu subirini kwanza, mtuwie radhi kwa muda huu. Kwa maendeleo gani makubwa mlio nayo mpaka muhimize muungano kwa haraka hivyo? Mie nina mashaka sana na jamaa hawa, angalia hata Demokrasia yao ina utata, kiasi imefikia wagawe madaraka ili kuokoa umwagikaji wa damu. Tunategemea nini kwa watu waliojigawa katika matabaka? Wakikuyu, Wajaluo (ambao wanadai eti raisi wa Marekani ni Mjaluo sio Mkenya, pia Mjaluo anaweza kuongoza Marekani lakini ni vigumu kuongoza Kenya, Waluo na wengineo wengi ambo wapo mafungu. Inabidi warekebishe kila tatizo la ndani kabla hatujafika hatua hiyo kubwa ya Muungano. Hii si kwa Keny tuu, bali pia nchi nyinginezo Burundi, Rwanda na Uganda. Sababu pote humo tuna matatizo ya muda mrefu ambayo yanahitaji kutatuliwa.
Tunaomba tuancheni sisi Watz na amani yetu kwa sasa tujenge nchi yetu. Japo tuna shida nyingi, mnadai hatujasoma kama nyinyi, wavivu, lakini ile kitu aliyotuachia Mwl. J. K. Nyerere kinaitwa UJAMAA kimeleta UPENDO, umeongeza AMANI ni vitu muhimu sana tunavyojivunia. Nakuhakikishieni tutafika tunapotaka, maana hata ROMA haikujengwa siku moja.
MUNGU IBARIKI TANZANIA
Anony wa December 03, 2008 12:30 PM
ReplyDeleteYou are very shallow
1. Obama sio mkenya angekuwa mkenya asingepewa uraisi wa Marekani
2. Its practically impossible for Citizen wa Kenya kuwa citizen wa Amerika automatically( NEVER NEVER NEVER), that is just a dream, "A DAY LIGHT DREAM"
3. Kama Kenya mnataka kukusanya resources za watanzania hilo ni suala jipya na embu tuone itakavyokuwa
4. Unaposema US wawasaidie nyie mje kuivamia Tanzania najisikia kucheka sana sababu unaelekea hujui ulisemalo na unaropoka tu.
5. Suala la wazungu kuwaweka nafasi za juu na waTZ kuipata fresh tunashukuru kwa taarifa na hilo nafikiri litafanyiwa kazi na mamlaka husika kwa utatuzi
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Najua kila binadamu kapewa ubongo ... lakini naona baadhi yetu tu wazito kutumia akili zetu na tu wavivu wa kufikiri, matokeo yake tunajikuta tunaongea vitu vya ovyo ovyo tuuuuu( kama huyu anony wa December 03, 2008 12:30 PM) ...kiasi ambacho unaweza kusema kuwa ana IQ ndogo kuliko hata ya kuku
Na najua si wakenya wote wako kama wewe, kuna wakenya wako smart enough
Na naona unawapaka matope wakenya wenzio kutokana na kutotumia uwezo wako wa ku"think positively"
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Tanzanians Should Shun Kenyan Expansionistas
ReplyDeleteI am a patriotic Tanzanian living in Kenya. I was really offended by the ideas of Gitau Warigi. Dear Blog editor, you may want to post a different article that was written by another colleague of Warigi in the same newspaper a month ago. This article clearly shows that some Kenyans are advocating for an expansionist politics akin to that of nurtured by the small landlocked countries of the Great Lakes Region. The war in DRC and the war in Somalia is feeding the political imagination of the countries in the EAC with dreams of expanding into neighbouring countries by force or deceit in order to make profits for themselves. Tanzania is an exception and maybe Burundi also.
In his recent article that has caused a lot of debate among Kenya's eastern neighbours the Somalis (in the diaspora mainly), Kipkorir proposed that Kenya and Ethiopia should occupy and divide Somalia between themselves into two parts as a long term solution to the political chaos in that country.
Is it possible that some Kenyans now want to expand their territorial dreams into Tanzania in the pretext of the EAC?
Does Kenyans want to conquer Somalia by military force and conquer Tanzania by political deceit?
here is the article. You should post it on as a main post rather than a comment under a different thread
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Why Kenya and Ethiopia ought to annex and divide Somalia
By DONALD KIPKORIR, dkipkorir@ktk.co.ke
Posted Friday, October 3 2008 at 19:36
In Summary
* Since 1960, the country has been a lawless state that is a haven for terrorists and pirates.
* Annexing Somalia is thus in our strategic interest and we must do it now as the financial meltdown continues.
The Article
Last month, Lehmans Brothers and Merrill Lynch, the world’s foremost investment banks, went bankrupt and we witnessed the financial chaos in the western capitals.
In the fog of international headlines on finding a financial bail-out in Washington, a rag-tag army of 50 semi-naked men on rickety boats captured a ship carrying 33 T-72 tanks, rocket-propelled grenades and anti-aircraft guns off the coast of Somalia.
The capture of mv Faina and the stalemated talks amid the surrounding American and Russian warships made me think that maybe this is the time to find a final solution to the Somali problem.
Since 1960, the country has been a lawless state that is a haven for terrorists and pirates. The pirates have told us the destination of the captured weaponry causing tension and panic in Washington, Nairobi and Khartoum.
If it is true that the final consignee was the government of Southern Sudan, as they allege, I will be on the same page with the Kibaki government for the first time.
I am a fervent supporter of a strategic foreign policy even if it attracts us enemies of such malevolent and despotic regimes as that of Khartoum.
Supporting the Southern Sudan government is in our long-term strategic interest and we should not shy from it. The truth of the matter is that as a Western ally, Kenya is an existential enemy of Arab countries, Sudan included.
Annexing Somalia is thus in our strategic interest and we must do it now as the financial meltdown continues to take away the attention of the world.
Somalia as a state exists only in world maps. It is a classic case of a failed state. It is a state dismembered into as many independent units as there are sub-clans. Its 90-strong cabinet is emblematic of the actual number of units.
The Horn of Africa country has no functioning government. The so-called transitional federal government, led by Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed, is confined to a shell-shocked presidential compound.
There is no standing or even sitting army or judicial systems. By all accounts, Somalia is a black hole in international law. Together with Afghanistan and Pakistan they are known as the training grounds and refuge for international terrorism.
Kenya has been a victim of such terrorism, leading to near-destruction of its tourism industry. We cannot afford another such attack. We have the potential to develop our tourism to compete with, if not outpace, Egypt and South Africa. But we cannot do so if Somalia continues to be a non-state.
Somalia neighbours Kenya, Ethiopia and Djibouti. Of these, it is only Ethiopia and Kenya that have strategic interest in Somalia. Djibouti is a primitive entrepot that can’t even supply water to its 600,000 people, who are forced to drink that imported from France or Coca Cola. Therefore, Djibouti is out in the quest for the final solution to the Somali puzzle.
Kenya and Ethiopia must and ought to dismember Somalia and divide it between themselves along the 4 degrees latitude, each taking all the land below and above the line.
The division will make both countries extend their territories by roughly 300,000sq km and additional populations of about five million.
Once Kenya and Ethiopia have sent their combined army to Somalia and declared the annexation, we will present to the world a fait accompli.
In 1845, America annexed Texas from Mexico and forced the Texan legislature to pass a specific legislation stating that it accepted the annexation. The annexation has stood to date and, for good measure, President George W. Bush is a proud American Texan.
For Kenya and Ethiopia, having the Somali legislature to endorse the annexation will be cake-walk. At any given time, most, if not all, Somali legislators are in Nairobi.
We will have them convene in one of our hotels and to pass the appropriate statutes dividing their country.
When the allied forces liberated Germany from Fuhrer Adolf Hitler, they sent the bill to Berlin.
Our cost of annexing Somalia will be settled by Mogadishu. Somalia is known to have huge deposits of oil, natural gas, uranium and iron ore. Immediately after the annexation, we will invite our strategic foreign friends (not China please) to come and exploit the resources for us.
Kenyans ought to know that although Somalia is a failed state, its positive statistics are impressive. Without a structured economy, its gross national income per capita is US$600 (Sh40,000), when ours is $550 (Sh36,800). Of its universities that operate without budgets and with armed militia guarding them, three are in Africa’s top 100.
International law forbids the use of force by states against the territorial integrity and political independence of others. Somalia doesn’t have either.
But the law also recognises irreversible processes like the extinction of states such as in the USSR, emergence of new states from former USSR and Yugoslavia, and annexations like that of Texas. International order hates reversing completed processes, more so if the world is a better place.
If we do not annex Somalia and now, we will be a victim of its failed status and pulled down by it. We will not be able to achieve our strategic foreign policy in the region, or attain the Vision 2030 goal.
The time to annex and dismember Somalia is now; Washington and Moscow will be grateful.
Source: http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/440808/476952/-/item/1/-/ncxdws/-/index.html
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I'm really proud of Our Tanzanian Leaders to be firm on this issue of integration! Gitau Warigi,needs to be told frankly! History has taught us a lesson; by the way, who was the source of breaking up the EAC on 1977?. It's Kenyans themselves! Nyerere had a good idea of integration at that time,but when they saw, they have benefited and acquired mostly what they needed,they decided to break the Union! Kenyans in East Africa,can't be trusted at all!(It's better we have a little trust of other neighbors like Uganda,Rwanda,Burundi than Kenya). And this with a strong emphasis! They saw,we became good at marketing ourselves on the economic arena especially in mining and tourism,now they are prying on doing what they did in 1977.We Tanzanians cannot venture on another mistake! (I even think maybe because of our reluctance on EAC issue,maybe they are behind forcing EAC employees to demand their forgotten TZ government pay).Tanzanians are generous.We sacrificed ourselves for others in East Africa and the whole of Africa,but we are paid negatively by our fellow brothers.A good example is Warigi.Me as Chakubanga from my beloved country TZ or Bongo,cannot accept this Idea anymore.There is no way we can attempt the EAC! One mistake,one goal.We better remain with SADC.
ReplyDeleteMimi Chakubanga tena,namjibu huyo mkenya(Proud Kenyana US UK citizen!)=Anonymous
ReplyDeleteTarehe December 03, 2008 12:30 PM. Hivi wewe mkenya husiejua kiswahili kutoka Kibera, nani kakwambia Obama ni mkenya? Obama hana passport ya Kenya! Why Kenyans are living in the world of fantasies! Just because his father is from Kenya,it does not conclude is kenyan!First he has not seen Kibera slum at all! By the way,I live in the US;do you think Obama will help Kenya? I don't think so,unless you don't know the structure of the US government!There's no way he will help Kenya keep that in mind wewe husiejua world politics! The best way you can do,start exercising marathon races.Obama himself doesn't see his relatives here in the US,and you dream he will see you who stepped out from Kibera? The American Elect President believes in hard work,not helping kenyans.It's not one of his job in the world agenda!
Hii inaitwa halbadiri ya m-bayana.Watanganyika walipoichukua Zanzibar walikuwa na kiburi pia. Na mpaka leo kwa kuwa wao wanafaidika basi basi wanakuwa na ngebe ile mbaya. Ni vizuri kuwa wakenya wamekiona kiburi cha watanganyika.Sisi Zanzibar tumekiona zamani lakini kuna kabari ya kisiasa.Lakini iko siku
ReplyDeletedah leo nimecheka sana huyo aliesema wamuombe Obama wawe jimbo la marekani kweli wakenya wamechanganyikiwa. Hatutaki kujiunga nao kwanza wabaguzi sana wenyewe kwa wenyewe wanauana haya wakisikia mtanzania itakuaje? Unganeni kwanza wakikuyu na waluo alafu ndio muombe kuungana na sisi. Kwani lazima sisi tuwepo kwenye huo muungano wenu? Eti Obama sijui nini? mbona alivyokuja kenya hamkumkaribisha ikulu au kwa ajili kawa Rais Mtaishia kumuona kwenye TV na kumtaja tu! Bora sisi tulishavuta kwa Kichaka zile pesa za millenium challenge ila wakenya watabaki kuhesabu miaka hadi kipindi cha Obama kipite> HATUTAKI MUUNGANO NA KENYA WALA UGANDA NA SI LAZIMA. Kama Kimbo, Blueband na Mafuta ya Nywele hata sisi tunatengeneza tena zenye ubora. Unganeni na Rwanda na Burundi ndio mnafanana kitabia.
ReplyDeleteJamani acheni kelele shemeji zetu waBongo. Gitau Warigi amewasilisha point nzito na badala yakuzichambua mmemshabulia na maneno ya kashfa na kejeli. Nampatia support kama Mkenya ambaye ana mke wa kitanzania na anayeishi na kufanya kazi Tanzania.
ReplyDeletePoint zangu ni hizi:
1. EAC na EAF should not be feared. Kenyans are not coming to Tanzania alone. We will go to Rwanda, Burundi and Uganda too. And citizens of these great nations will also be welcome to Kenya. It is a win win situation for everybody. The only question is that we cant move forward when one member appears to be confused as to what exactly they want for themselves. Because kama hamtaki kuungana basi be OPEN and CLEAR! Kama hamtaki KUUNGANA NOW. Be OPEN and CLEAR! Hakuna mtu anaye force mwengine kuungana kwa lazima. It will be very nice if Tanzania says clearly and openly that: We Tanzanians dont want to unite with you or make a community or union with you now because we are not ready. This will save us time and intellectual resources for those of us (Ke, Ug, Rw and Bu) who want to move forward at a faster pace in order to catch up with the rest of the world.
2. Tanzanian people are very good at kupiga domo tu. I know them having attained my early degrees from UDSM at the height of the golden Nyerere era. Laziness and domonomics is the bane of Tanzania. So instead of "beating stories" here and there and abusing the rest of East Africans why dont you use that time and energy to tell your government forcefully kwamba you are not interested in the EAC and EAF? Fanyeni hata maandamano kama ya wale wazee wastaafu wa EAC au yale ya Thailand hadi TZ ijinyanyue from muungano wa afrika mashariki. Hapo basi tutaweza kuwasikiza kama watu wazima because inachosha patience za wengine kila mnapolia eti mnaonewa, mnanyanyaswa na waKenya pasipo na nyinyi kutoa suluhu ya kudumu kwa Muungano wetu. Narudia. Nobody is forcing Tanzania to be in the EAC. Just quit officially and let the rest of us move forward. Nawaomba kama mwafrika mwenzenu jiondoeni bila kashfa kwenye mchakato kama hamuutaki ili sisi tunaoitaka twende zetu huko kwa EAC na EAF.
3. Kenya and Tanzania both have English and Kiswahili as their official and national languages in their constitutions. Nobody has denied you the right to own the two languages. You should not do so however at the expense of abusing others. We love our Kiswahili language and we love our English language. Moreover, we love our AFRICAN languages too. It is not intelligent as an African to say that we Tanzanians are civilised because we speak Kiswahili, an African language. What will you say when 80% of Kenyans answer that they also speak Kiswahili AND their AFRICAN languages? The point in short is that beside Kiswahili you will really enrich yourselves culturally and economically if you also re-learn your lost AFRICAN languages and ENGLISH. Kiswahili alone should will take you nowhere.
4. Gitau used derogatory statements which offended many Kenyans too. He should use more civil and respectful language when addressing an issue of such regional importance. He should respect our Tanzanian neighbours because we love them and admire some aspects of the social and political cultures.
5. Many Kenyans have found it useful to pursue an alternative model of integration. They marry Tanzanians, Rwandese etc and have kids with them. Then agree with their spouses to register most of the key assets in the name of the kids after they attain 21 years. Some Kenyans have lost property in this approach. Yet majority have benefited and I am one of them. My land and plots in and around Dar and Moro are thriving and I am an early beneficiary of this ancient people-oriented African strategy of integration. Tanzanians forget about the politicians, let us unite at family levels and invest together as family and relatives.
6. Why do Tanzanians fear Kenyans so much? Why dont they fear any other of the many countries they share boundaries with? Yet they still secretly admire Kenyans as is evident in many bar-room and mtaa talks I have had the pleasure of over-hearing.
7. Tanzania ís a great nation. It can even be a regional superpower. It has the resources and the strategic location. What you need to do is simple. Allow us to come in and help you mine your resources, build your human capital, develop your vast arable lands through farming and strengthen your economy. 50 years later, you can reclaim your country carefully by coming up with schemes to buy off the non-Tanzanian investors. That way both the investors and the locals will benefit. Do not fear the first 50 years. Indeed you will suffer in someway but later you will be the winners in a future Tanzania. That future Tanzania will have smart local English speakers, towering skyscrapers, an even more competent education system, vast lands under cultivation and a vibrant leadership informed with tolerance of multiple political views. You can do it. My kids are half Tanzanian and I know you what you folks are capable of. Do not think narrowly, think strategically. Ask not what Tanzania will give Kenyans in an EAC but rather what Kenyans will give Tanzania.
Nimewasilisha na samahani kama nimekukera kwa namna moja au nyingine. Ila this childish culture of complaining, complaining, complaining is one that Tanzania needs to end.
Paulo Kamau
michu nimesikitika sana na huyo annoy wa saa1:52pm
ReplyDeletemi namjibu hivi hana akili hata moja kichwachake kimejaa minyoo mitupu anafikiri kuwa wao tu ndo wataoa dada zenu ? what about you michu na my wif wa uganda dada zao ndo wanapapatikia wanaume wa kitanzania ili waje kwenye maisha ya raha huku viwanja vya kumwaga hewa safi na vitu chungu mzima kwanza kaka zetu ni wazuri hata kwa maumbile na ustaarabu wa kubebeleza mke wanao si wao hata kutogoza hawajua ni maneno ya kujidai tu waliyo nayo na ubahili mpaka kwenye kokwa zao. kunamkeye mmoja alimng'ang'a nia kaka mmoja wa kisukuma mpaka jamaa kaoa demu ni ovyo ile nbaya sura imemvimba utafikiri maharage yanapoanza kuchemka na ubabe wa kipumbavu walio nao.
huyo anasema watachukua land yetu na kuoa dada zetu anaota kwanza wengi hawaja tahi...... wanini sisi hao ? na je kaka zetu kwani hawawa to dada zao kila kukicha? hiyo hadith aiache kabis pumbavu
UKIENDA MTONI KUOGA KISHA UKAACHA NGUO ZAKO ZOTE UFUKWENI,AKAPITA CHIZI AKAZIBEBA NA WEWE UKATOKA KUMFUKUZA,NYOTE MTAONEKANA MACHIZI.OBAMA KASHINDA UCHAGUZI,KIBAKA KATANGAZA MAPUMZIKO KUSHEHEREKEA USHINDI WA DEMOCRAT,INASHANGAZA KIDOGO VIPI KUSIWE SIKU YA MAPUMZIKO YA KUWAOMBEA WALIOKUFA KUTOKANA NA MAPIGANO BAADA YA UCHAGUZI,ALAFU KWANI LAZIMA,SIWAUNGANE NA SOMALIA PIA NI MAJIRANI ZAO,WATOTO WETU SASA WANAKWENDA SHULE KWA ARI MPYA KASI MPYA,ATUWEZI KUUNGANA NA VIBARAKA WANAO JIVUNIA MASHAMBA YA WANZUNGU KWAO,KARAKOI NA KIBERA KUNA NYUMBA HAZINA HATA VYOO NA NI CITY HIYO.E.A.C BILA TANZANIA INAWEZEKANA!!!!!!!!!!!!MBONGO UKIGUSA TU MWANAMKE WA KIKENYA HUKU MAJUU UMEKWISHA,ABANDUKI UTASIKIA NIKO NA PESA KIDOGO NA SITUKA NUNUE SHAMBA TZ!!!!SIO RAHISI MWANACHI WA KAWAIDA KENYA KUWA NA SHAMBA AU NYUMBA KAMA TULIVYO SISI WABONGO HONGERA BABA WA TAIFA MW.NYERERE MATUNDA YAKO TUNAANZA KUYAONA SASA,JK MALIZA DARAJA LA NTWARA TUUNGANISHE NGUVU NA NDUGU ZETU WA MSUMBIJI.
ReplyDeleteKuna mtu,sijui ni Mkenya kasema suala la Zanzibar! Kuna haja ya kumjibu naye huyu,kama ni mkenya.Hivi watu wanafikiri kuna tatizo la Zanzibar.Hatuna tatizo,ila chama kinachotafuta madaraka kwa nguvu visiwani,ndicho kinachopiga kelele kwa kutumia Zanzibar na ukabila.Kenya nayo ina matatizo kwenye visiwa vyao vya Malindi,Lamu hata Mombasa yenyewe! Hivyo,sera zinazotolewa na baadhi ya viongozi wa Chama cha CUF za ukabila,udini na utengano lisiwe tatizo la kulazimisha Tanzania tujiunge na EAC sababu kenyans are happy of our new differences with our brothers in the Islands.They will always remain our brothers since we speak the same language,there are intermarriages and other interconnected ties! Any country with Islands in the world do face the same problem anyway!A good example is UK,US to mention the few.Hence,you need to stick your nose on the issue of EAC NOT the country internal affairs!Without His Excellency our President to step on their reconciliation,they could wipe out their population by killing each other!There is Nothing in Kenya for Tanzania to gain!
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Moke O. Gama. Nimeona mada yako na nimeisoma vizuri sana.
ReplyDeleteNinachotaka kusema ni kwamba nikiwa msomaji wa article nyingi hapa katika michuzi, ninaweza kusema kwamba mwandishi huyu ni yuleyule wa siku zote Bwana John Mashaka. Nimefuatilia kiingereza hiki na sanifu yote ya kimaamdishi ina maneno ambayo John Mashaka hutumia katika kuandika mada zake.
Ninaamini huyu ni John Mashaka na ninamuomba asiogope mara nyingine kutoa jina lake.
Ninakupongeza kwa mada zako za kina mara nyingi au mara zote.
While most of the things said about Tanzania are true, they do not ammount into a strong argument at all. I think what the Wairigis or whoever they are should be addressing is WHY SHOULD TANZANIA JOIN THE EAC, give us the facts, make us see your point of view, (that we cannot at present as dumb as we are!) Do not attack us!
ReplyDeleteEvery state has its own baggage to deal with, and i think Tanzania is wise enough to see its own as a threat to the community and that is why all the delays...what i would suggest is for Kenyans to asses their strengths and of course weaknesses (because they are massive!) first in order to understand what advantages they will bring to the community if at all there are any!
I think it will be wrong for any country to enter the community with a view of benefiting more than offering. The community will surely not exist to elevate some status of few countries at the expense of others....In my view it should exist to strengthen each individual country.
So Please Kenyans, tell us why, convince us by arguments and not attacks on our weaknesses as a country. Tanzania is well a peaceful country and its people are laid back, (you do not buy that do you? remember the aggression with Amin's arrogance?) That kind of approach is old "SKUL" Jenga hoja... Eti you are talking of Kumwaga damu in the name of Ukombozi? My foot!
We anon wa December 03, 2008 1:52 PM, mtu akisoma maandishi yako anaona we ni mbaguzi na kaburu mweusi tuu, hayo ndo maswala ambayo hatutaki kuhusu kenya.
ReplyDeleteKATIKA HIZI MOVE ZA MUUNGANO NAONA KENYA ANACHEZA STRIKER/ATTACKER HALAFU SISI TZ TUNA-DEFEND.
ReplyDeleteKUNA ULAGHAI MWINGI HUMU.
Serikali yetu ifanye sensa kujua kuna wakenya wangapi katika kazi ambazo zingefanywa na watanzania, kisha iwaambie warudi kwao maana hizo nafasi za kazi ni za watanzania. Tunataka zile ajira milioni moja zitimie na kuzidi.
ReplyDeleteNa nyie wanaume wenye viherehere vya kuoa wanawake wa Kenya, shauri yenu hamumuoni mama yao first Lady anavyotia mangumi hata wageni wa mumewe, yaani mtapigwa nyie na wazee wenu shauri yenu msiseme hamkuambiwa!
Na nyie watoto wa kike mnaotumiwa na wanaume wa Kenya kupora ardhi yetu, kwanza mjue mtu akioa bado hajapata tiketi ya uraia hivyo mnavunja sheria kuwamilikisha wageni ardhi yetu. Pili ikitokea bahati mbaya huyo bwana akafa, basi ndio utajua maana ya kuolewa na mkikuyu au mluo wa Kenya ni nini. Sidhani kama hata utakuwa na sauti kwenye maziko ya mumeo, hamjasikia ile kesi ya mtu aliyekaa mochwari miezi mitatu wakibishana mke na ndugu za marehemu kuhusu maziko?
Watoto angalieni huku kuchuma chuma mamboga huku mtakuja kuchuma mboga za uchungu! Haya wee!
I think Kenyans are more infatuated with English Language than anyother thing. This is a very bad colonial legagy thriving in Kenya even after 45 years past independence. This is very bad for them. We have the best English than what they think we are!
ReplyDeleteThese are amongst factors we don't want to see the EA integration being hurriedly pushed. We are not in hurry and we have always been so. We will cherish this.
Kenyan consider themselves as having strong economy. Yes. But it does not means citizens are having a better life either. In North-Eastern, some central parts and Norh East Kenya people are having one of miserable lives of humankinds in Africa!. I have seen some people in Garissa not knowing what to eat the next morning. This is to say the ecocomy of Kenya is centred around industries concentrated around Nairobi, Mombasa and some farms, mostly owned by Britons in west of Nairobi. This economy does nit reflect the wellbeings of majority of Kenyan.
We are building our economy. At this pace, we will ahead of Kenya just in 1o years (growth rate 6% per year). That is when we will say you are now welcome. Infact, we have a big economy. The system have just not been able to check all sources of funds for tax. Wait.
Otherwise, we will advise you forge links with Somalis as you look alike. You may help them by working with them and taking their jobs than you would do to us.
One person asked,,, why shouldn't we then say we dont like the federetion?. we have said itt all. why force us? All signs point to the answer.
We will be ready and we are not in hurry. We have our land, we have our resources we have human resources. Why should you push us to follow whatever you want?!
Oh wakenya, we are now catching up with your lies, deceipts and outright greed. You are looking at Tanzania with your tongues out dripping with saliva. Nyerere was right to call yu Kenyans "MANYANG'AU". These are individuals who prey on others simply because they are weak.
ReplyDeleteTo counter the main point raised by our confused friend "MKenya mzalendo" of December 03, 2008 @ 1:52 PM - that focus on why Tanzanians are meak and Kenyans are violent, here is my analysis:
You and most Kenyans seem utterly confused when it comes to understanding the Tanzanian psyche. While on the one hand you attribute our meakness as being the results of slavery, you conveniently ignore the fact that only a small fraction of Tanzania was immensely influenced by the Ustaarabu wa Kiswahili, notable the coastal parts (Dar, Tanga, Zanzibar, Kilwa) and to an extent Tabora. That leaves almost 70% of the country without the slaver influence that you so strongly link to our "meakness".
So, to help you and your fellow countrymen understand the origins of our "meakness", i'll refer you to our not-so-distant history and the influence of UJAMAA. It was UJAMAA and not SLAVERY that mellowed us down in comparison to our Kenyan or Ugandan brother/sisters. It was UJAMAA that gave us the unity that you Kenyans so desperately need and long for. It was UJAMAA that erased the evil that is tribalism and regionalism that has inflicted so much pain and claimed so many lives in Kenya. And yes it was UJAMAA that made us less aggressive because we were used to be given everything by the state. Those are the two sides of the coin that is UJAMAA and although no longer a popular policy for obsious reasons, as a country we have come to accept its pros. And for your(Kenyans) own sake as a country you need to realise that tribalism is an evil that has been so deeply rooted in your society to point you feel proud to kill each other because your tribal differences. As the world is advancing, you Kenyans are still in the primitive era of "NYANG'AUISM" whereby the strong feels the need to wipe out the weak. You may think Tanzanians are weak simply because ni wa pole, but make no mistake, we know how to make a stand when encountered by a bully, we did it to the British during the Rhodesian crisis(which you Kenyans corwardly backed down for fearing your colonial masters) and no doubt, we are doing it to you, as you try to bully your way to our country.
As a condition, we should require Kenyans to first erase tribalism in their country(which is impossible) thus attain a status of civilised nation, before trying to form a political federation with another civilised(non-tribilist) nation like Tanzania. That will put a stop to their plans.
***Tanzanian Patriots Stand-up!****
Mungu Ibariki Tanzania, Amen.
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Tanzanian Utra-Nationalist
WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH KENYANS. INTERESTS ZAO TANZANIA NI ;
ReplyDelete1. WANATAKA ARDHI AS KWAO YOTE IMECHUKULIWA
2. WANATAKA WANAWAKE WA KITANZANIA KWA KUWA WANASEMA WANAWAKE WA KITANZANIA NI WAZURI, CHEAP NA WAPORE. WANASEMA WANAWAKE WA KITANZANIA WAKISIKIA MWANAUME ANAONGEA KIIENGEREZA TU WANA FALL IN LOVE
3. WANATAKA KAZI AS KWAO HAKUNA AJIRA
4. WANAVIZIA MADINI AS KWAO HAKUNA
5. WANATAMANI AMANI ILIYOPO HUKU KWETU.
Kamau!! Is it a must for us to join in right now?? why cant Kenya respect Tanzania for not being ready?? Form the EAC with the other "ready to join in" countries then tutakuja baadaye when are ready!!
ReplyDeleteShemeji yake kamau (dada yake sio mtamu wala nini)
Keep your prosperous Kenya; we will keep our poor and dirty Tanzania.
ReplyDeleteWe,Tanzanians should be so aggressive in defending our way of life! "Don't let anybody take away your manhood!" We believe in Peaceful World as the first item of life;Not the economy as human identity! Never allow some funny country to object our values just because they have a good manufacturing economy!Life is NOT only about the economy;it about the relation you have with your neighbor! The meaning of Life is defined from Peace,Togetherness(Love)and shelter!Kama Rais wetu JK Nyerere and Sheikh Abeid Amani Karume said kwamba, binadamu anahitaji Chakula malazi,mavazi as the first starting point of living as human being! Sasa mataifa mengine,hayajali utu bali mali kwanza! Look,our values resonating everywhere on this planet!Sisi watanzania tunajulikana hata UN,kwa jeuri yetu ya kulinda maana ya maisha!Sio maisha ya kikenya!By the way,Kenyans used to tease us:-"Man Eat Nothing" wakati wa ujamaa tulipokuwa tumebanwa kiuchumi mataifa ya kibepari wakati huo.Lakini wao wanaonekana wamekomaa kama nini:-)Hence our view of life will always remain,the only truth!Popote watanzania wanapokwenda duniani,tunaheshimika kwa hilo!Hata Warigi mwenyewe kwenye essay yake kakubali hilo! Never,and again never allow some funny person demonising our way of life! Never!Wangalie hao,yakiwashindwa,they start singing,we need your help Tanzanians,you know Nyerere said this,Nyerere said that!If you are better than Tanzanians,why are you now crying for assistance from a country you're criticizing by appealing to Nyerere Ideas? And again,if you think Kenya is better economically,give us sometimes;we are going to make wonders in this area;I promise you!
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Again Tanzanians needs to be keen on this issue of EAC integration! We cannot attempt the integration at all since Kenyans can't be trusted!Look! Kenyans are funding the oppositions,so when the opposition take over our government,they can pace forward with EAC!And if they win the EAC,they know the Federal President will always come from Kenya because of so called the good economy! By the time we wake up from that so called EAC federation and maybe we decide to break away,they have already exploited and invested so much in their part of Kenya!We will be so much marginalised!The aim is to fund the opposition so they can take over our government which ephasize our traditional values first!Again,The Elected Odinga(whom we put him in power by Nyerere Ideas),came to Tanzania with some wabunge;wabunge hao wakaanza kujitamba kwa wabunge wa kitanzania kuwa wao wana mishahara mizuri na faida nyingine sababu ya uchumi wao,ili wabunge wenzetu wapige kelele bungeni!Maisha yao ni kuleta fujo tu!Their education system is ranked low worldwide! They think, they can speak good English;I don't see that!If you speak as though you are speaking kiluga,and you call it English,you funny african from the North-East!After all,why are you grorifying the knowledge of someone's language while you CAN'T speak your own you funny african! Tanzanians,never dare EAC;there is a secret agenda beyond your eyes!It is aimed at stealing the economy!We promise Kenyans,now Tanzanians are exposed with the world,we are going to do wonders this time on this area! Ni"afadhari ukae na shetani unayemjua,kuliko husiemjua!".They's Nothing,again Nothing in Kenya for Tanzania to gain! Let EAC remain as a conflict resolution!We don't need EAC federation in the area of economy and government(politics)
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Chakubanga
Kenya was the first to break out of the previous union running away with all the assets like the planes, etc.
ReplyDeleteAt first we were fools by investing much on their side than ours. What we got was only the AICC complex.
So before we jump into this matter we still have have unanswered question of the privious marraige and the destribution of the assets.
I applaude our legis;ators in taking their time an putting a lot of thought before getting committed.
tanzania ultra-nationalist,dec 03;10:57 you made my day i am very convice for what you wrote,yaani mimi nakupa tano all the way,i wish one of kenyans can come across your comment and see what wabongo we stand at,im very proud to be tanzanian.
ReplyDeleteThis is a good one for Tanzanian Government and Leaders and hoping they will keep making the right judgments regarding the EAC. Not only the EAC countries are over populated, but also have so much other issues including politics, corruption and conflicts as a results of tribalism. These countries are forcing this Union as get away to their internal conflicts, over population and other problems at their countries.
ReplyDeleteRwanda and Burundi issues are clear as I think we are still hosting some of their refugees. Tutsi and Hutu are still enemies. Rwanda has been a keen player in the Congo conflict and also in Uganda, they are just war people. Uganda has issue since Obote, Amini, Museveni and today they are still fighting Lord Resistance Army to the north.
Kenya also have issues. The country has been a capitalist for a while with Europeans occupies much of the big companies. Most regular forks are just out of the system. There is a big danger if this kind of capitalism is given a free pass in Tanzanian land. Kenya has other issues including tribalism where their own citizens can not get along. You can just see so many reasons for the big Kenya push for this Union as such things as markets for their products, employment opportunities, land, and also investment opportunities. They want to force the contract for private land ownership so that they can have the rights, and not to be pushed out in the future.
Based on the failed previously EAC we got to think; fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. We can work having some kind of business agreements, visas, etc but we didn't meant to have United States of East Africa.
N:B Kwa yeye anayesema ndugu, ndugu, ndugu. Hiyo inasaidia kuondoa vita baadala ya kuchoma moto watoto na mama yao in the church. Unapoita ndugu inafanya kikuyu, luo, kamba, maasai, wanakuwa kitu kimoja. Hivyo ndivyo tulivyounganishwa where every Tanzanian was your ndugu. It used to be Ndugu Speaker, Ndugu Mbunge, Ndugu wananchi, just a common title to all of us. Na kuhusu Obama, Kenya will never be a part of US. Liberia did try that shit once and in time of need (war) and it did not work out. We are proud Africans and we are not impressing white people to love us and occupy us again or adopting us. We are proud for Obama as a motivation that we can do better in our own countries. Tanzania has been close to US and other Nations and will always be. We are proud to have deputy UN Sec. and also AU Chairman For years we have been pioneers helping other countries in the continent and this time we just want a little space to take care of ourself
Obama ni m-USA na si mKenya na wala hana asili ya Kenya ni baba yeke ndiye alikuwa mKenya si Obama the president of USA, na wala hana asili ya KENYA DON'T CONFUSE THINGS. HUO NDO UKWELI,
ReplyDeleteGuys, I request you see the full article of this Gitau as there are some rather distasteful remarks-apart from the above. Can someone kindly post the same?
ReplyDeleteThanks for your comments and 'very' good analysis na ushauri, but why don't you do all the 'sweetfornothing' things you mentioned to your beautiful country Kenya now instead of the '50' years you are planning for TZ? Hebu tuacheni jama.....khaa..
ReplyDeleteYaani najisikia faraja baada ya kumsoma Tanzania utra-nationalist wa December 03,2008. nimejikuta nanyanyuka mwenyewe toka kitini kuitikia wito wako wa Tanzanians stand-up. sio siri mwanawane, tunasimama pamoja kuwakabili hao wakenya na vita yao baridi ya maneno dhidi yetu.
ReplyDeleteTanzania daima!
Watani Wetu Watanzania,
ReplyDeleteKila nchi iko na right to advance its own interests sembuse sisi?
1. We are all close brothers here in East Africa. In fact we are more related to each other than to the West Africans for instance. Luos are in Kenya and Tanzania. Kurias are in Kenya and Tanzania. Hayas and Bungandans are related over many years. The people of Kigoma and the Burundians share a lot of cultural similarities. The Maasais are in Kenya and Tanzania. The Pogoros and the Taitas are one people and even the Iraqw and the Somalis are culturally the same people. So let us stop this nonsense of saying that Tanzanians are different from the rest of the region. This is sheer shallow thinking that will take us nowhere and will only undermine the fact that our destinies are inextricably linked.
2. Slavery rather than Ujamaa is the real foundation of the Tanzanian mind. Remember the old saying that an eye sees but cannot see itself. You Tanzanians cannot see entirely what makes up the core of your mind just as that eye that can see others (eg Kenyans), cannot see itself. Slavery destroyed Tanganyikan communities and decimated their numbers in a very terrible way. After colonialism and independence, Nyerere was at a loss of how to bring this shrinking and scattered ethnic communities together into one nation in a land as vast as yours. The clever statesman found a solution in Ujamaa. He could bring your old folks together in his common villages away from their scattered hamlets then provide them shared government services. The dwindling populations of the tribes of the hinterland could not be served by the post-independence government each on its own. Nyerere's clever ida of Ujamaa therefore was an antidote to a legacy of a nationa torn apart by the demonic slave trade and colonialism. Out of his efforts your so called brotherhood or Undugu was born. So slavery more than Ujamaa is the source of your negative national traits as Tanzanians. Do not misinterpret established history. The underlying cause that led to the establishment of Ujamaa was the slave trade. And it is this long dead slave trade that continues kuaathiri saikolojia ya umma ya Tanzania. Meekness against oppression, low self-esteem, enslavement of kids in the mines, psychotic attachment to the slavers' language/religion and overdependence on the government/masters instead of developing personal intitiatives are all typical Tanzanian traits inherited from the slave experience not Ujamaa. Nyerere never told Tanzanians to be idlers, rumour-mongers, hateful, xenophobic and neurotic people. Let Mwalimu lie in peace and African glory.
2. (a)I did not mean to teach your history but I only wanted you to strengthen your points when blogging in a respected popular platform such as Michuzi's blog of the people.
3. Tanzania does not need the EAC and the EAF. Fine. Then QUIT OFFICIALLY and show us that you mean what you say and you say what you mean. Kelele nyingi na porojo will take Africans nowhere. If you do not want to be with us, then LEAVE. Call for an extra-ordinary session and let your leadership tell the leadership of the rest of the members that YOU DO NOT WANT THE EAC. We will be able to move forward faster as Kenya, Uganda, Burundi and Rwanda without you. What we do not like and find childish is that you are NOT bold enough to make such a bold decision. So mbona mnasumbua? Kama hamko tayari kuungana na wengine tuambieni rasmi na tutaelewa na kuwaheshimu.
Gitau Warigi's point is simple:
EITHER YOU TOW THE LINE OF THE REST OF THE REGION OR YOU QUIT OFFICIALLY AND LET US GO OUR WAY.
Shemeji
Kamau
Samahani sana kama nitakuwa nimekosea.
ReplyDeleteHuyu kamau hana lolote historia haijui mtu wa ku-copy na ku-paste tu mada zake.
Nahisi huyu jamaa ni yule jamaa mkenya mfupi kama nyundo pale EATV Josiah Murunga. I can tell the way anavyoongea na ku-present utumbo wake.
Nimebanwa na kazi hapa nilipo ofisini, natafuta muda nimjibu huyu kamau fake
Shemejio
Dar
Kamau,(Dec 4: 1.07) umeongea sana. Pole sana kwa maumivu yako.
ReplyDeleteLakini suala la history kwetu huwezi kutufundisha hata kidogo. Ulichoongea wewe ni kuhalalisha ushamba wenu wa Kenya kukumbatia Ukabila. Kwa akili yako wewe unataka sema slavery ya West Africa(trans Atlantic) iliharibu makabila au kuangamiza umoja wao kule? Kwa mtizamo wako West African hawana umoja wa utaifa? in 15-17 century nusu ya Liberia ilipelekwa Carribean, na ndiko kwenye ukabila kuliko wenu huo!
Pia, hiyo Mau Mau yenu si ingekuwa imetekeza kila kitu huko kwenu? umesahau kuwa watu wengi sana walitoka Mombasa na Malindi kwenda Uarabuni kwa slavery. Uko very shallow kwa kila kitu kama walivyo Kenyans wengine. Unatambia Kiingereza, ili wenzako China, Germany, Japan, Arabic countries, wanatambia lugha zao! Yaani wewe uko kwenye enzi ya ukoloni mentally! Pole sana na siwezi kukusaidia.
Pili, sisi tuko happy sana hiyo Nyerere vision. That makes Tanzanians. Hatuna haraka na hatuwahi kuwa nayo. Tunajua tutafika tuendako bila wasi wasi. Unaiponda Nyerere Ujamaalisation hujui kuwa ndiyo inanifanya nimwone mwenzangu ndugu. Tofauti na wewe Kamau unavyomwona Onyanga kinyago, ati kwa kuwa hajatahiriwa! Kichaa hicho.
Wewe achana na sisi. Unavyoongea hapa unaoneka uko desparate kwa Tanzania kutaka irudishe mawazo yake.
Halafu, nyie mmekomaa hii federation ili mje kufanya nini huku? Hatuwahitaji kabisa. Tuna njia nyingi sana za kuendeleza economy yetu kuliko integration. We had this federation before.
Najisikia vizuri sana kuwa Mtanzania kuliko ningezawaliwa Kenya na kuwa Kenyan.
............Meekness against oppression, low self-esteem, enslavement of kids in the mines, psychotic attachment to the slavers' language/religion and overdependence on the government/masters instead of developing personal intitiatives.....
ReplyDeleteThis typically Kenyan! The reason why you fight during elections. We never. Each individual is independent and does not need specific person/tribe to lead. Anyone can do.
Look at how violent you are, look at kids on the streets, look at Kibera slum (2nd to none in Africa), look at prostitute in Mombasa and Nairobi (is this independence of minds), look at Chokoraa in the streets (you can't compare to kids in the mines) look at yourself, it is possible you don't have a plot for put you house.....
You summarised of what kenyans are. And who would like to be with you now?
Mind you. The rest of the Countries (Uganda, Burundi, Rwanda) are infact in need of Tanzania than you think. This is a non starter federation until when we say we are ready. Wait and see.
Swahiliannnnnn!!!!!
ReplyDeletenilkwambia aliyeanza kuikashifu tanzania kwamba tunachelewesha muungano hawajawahi kifiri maana hana ubongo, ni bora kuwa na ngombe maana utapata maziwa, nyama, mbolea ya samadi, ngozi n.k, kuliko kuwa na mtu ambaye hafikiriiii. Wananikera sanaaaaa!
Wenzangu hapo juu wamechangia mengi sana tena ya maana na ya kweli. Bwana ee, kwani lazima turudiane? kama watanzania tunasita, there is good reason. Kenyans proud themselves in being 'fast' lakini pia wako very cold. Sorry I know them well enough not to share a house with them, let alone a country. Kila nchi ina uhuru wa kuamua mambo yake! Kenyans can as well 'chapa mwendo' na Banyarwanda, Baganda, Barundi, watuache sisi na uboze wetu. Si lazima - Agh!
ReplyDeleteWhy are Kenyans forcing intergration ... What do they want in Tanzania ....
ReplyDeleteHei Shemeji
ReplyDeleteWe can just do business, have some kind of permits but we do not need to sign land occupationcontracts. I think that is what our Leaders are working on. There is no country in the world which gives the land instead they fight a war for it.
they need us so badly!!1 hahahahahaaaa teh teh teh
ReplyDeletewhat a cinema to watch!!!
aisee
Tanzania milele
Mimi naomba kuchangia kitu kidogo tu!
ReplyDeleteMr Michuzi nadhani mpaka hapo umesha pata jibu, nadhani hatakama kuna ofisa yoyote anaye husika na hili jambo amesha pata jibu! ilajambo ambalo mimi nataka kuongezea nikwamba watanzania tusio gope chochote tujiamini kwamba tuna weza natutafika! hao wakenya wana jisifu wanauchumi mkubwa, naomba wajiulize huo uchumi ni waakinanani kama sio wawazungu na wahindi? waafrica wakenya wanapigika tu kuliko hata sisi watanzani,
kimsingi kiuchumi wakiafrika wakweli watanzania tuko juu sana kuliko nchi nyingi za Africa!
mimi ninachhoona hapo nikwamba kuna matajiri wakizungu na wakihindi ndo wanao watumia hao wajinga wakenya weusi kusema mambo kama wanayo yasema sasahivi! tumshukuru Mwalimu Nyerere alitusaidia tukafumbuka macho mapema,hawa jamaa wanajidai wanaona mbali lakini hawaji sisi ndo tunao ona mbali zaidi yao,
wenyewe hawajui wazungu walioko kenya bado wana watawala, yaani bado wanatawaliwa hawajapata hata uo uhuru,nawazungu bado wanatumia divide and rule policy, kama kawaida yao kuwatawala wakenya, angalia ukabila wao! hilo hawaloni!!!
kama wakiamua kuendelea na shilikisho waendelee sisi tutakua SADC.
Tusiungane mpka yafuatayo yawe yamekamilika!
1)KILAMTANZANIA AWENAUWEZO WAKUFUNGUA BIASHARA.
2)KILA MKOA UWE NA CHUO KIKUU WALAU KIMOJA.
3)KILAMKOA WATANZANIA UWE NA BARABARA ZAKUPITA JUU YAANI FLYOVERS
4)BARABARA ZOTE ZATANZANIA ZIWE ZIMEFIKIA INTERNATIONA STANDARD
5)TUWE TUMEFIKIA UWEZO WAKUJITEGEMEA BILA KUKOPA AU KUOMBA MSAADA WOWOTE NJE YA NCHI
6)JESHI LETU LIWE NA UWEZO WAKUMILIKI B52 NA F16, NA F18 ZAKUMWAGA.
7)KILA MKUU WAMKOA AFIKIE HADHI YA KUPATA ULINZI KAMA RAIS SASAHIVI NA RAIS AWE MARAMBILI AU TATU YA SASAHIVI.
Michuzi Blog yako naona inaangaliwa na watu kama milioni tano hivi! nawote wano angalia hiiblog niwatu wenye akilia zao timamu, kwahiyo Waeleze watu huko wahusika kwamba tukate maneno mengi watanzania hutujawa tayari kwa muungano.
Mimi naomba kuchangia kitu kidogo tu!
ReplyDeleteMr Michuzi nadhani mpaka hapo umesha pata jibu, nadhani hatakama kuna ofisa yoyote anaye husika na hili jambo amesha pata jibu! ilajambo ambalo mimi nataka kuongezea nikwamba watanzania tusio gope chochote tujiamini kwamba tuna weza natutafika! hao wakenya wana jisifu wanauchumi mkubwa, naomba wajiulize huo uchumi ni waakinanani kama sio wawazungu na wahindi? waafrica wakenya wanapigika tu kuliko hata sisi watanzani,
kimsingi kiuchumi wakiafrika wakweli watanzania tuko juu sana kuliko nchi nyingi za Africa!
mimi ninachhoona hapo nikwamba kuna matajiri wakizungu na wakihindi ndo wanao watumia hao wajinga wakenya weusi kusema mambo kama wanayo yasema sasahivi! tumshukuru Mwalimu Nyerere alitusaidia tukafumbuka macho mapema,hawa jamaa wanajidai wanaona mbali lakini hawaji sisi ndo tunao ona mbali zaidi yao,
wenyewe hawajui wazungu walioko kenya bado wana watawala, yaani bado wanatawaliwa hawajapata hata uo uhuru,nawazungu bado wanatumia divide and rule policy, kama kawaida yao kuwatawala wakenya, angalia ukabila wao! hilo hawaloni!!!
kama wakiamua kuendelea na shilikisho waendelee sisi tutakua SADC.
Tusiungane mpka yafuatayo yawe yamekamilika!
1)KILAMTANZANIA AWENAUWEZO WAKUFUNGUA BIASHARA.
2)KILA MKOA UWE NA CHUO KIKUU WALAU KIMOJA.
3)KILAMKOA WATANZANIA UWE NA BARABARA ZAKUPITA JUU YAANI FLYOVERS
4)BARABARA ZOTE ZATANZANIA ZIWE ZIMEFIKIA INTERNATIONA STANDARD
5)TUWE TUMEFIKIA UWEZO WAKUJITEGEMEA BILA KUKOPA AU KUOMBA MSAADA WOWOTE NJE YA NCHI
6)JESHI LETU LIWE NA UWEZO WAKUMILIKI B52 NA F16, NA F18 ZAKUMWAGA.
7)KILA MKUU WAMKOA AFIKIE HADHI YA KUPATA ULINZI KAMA RAIS SASAHIVI NA RAIS AWE MARAMBILI AU TATU YA SASAHIVI.
Michuzi Blog yako naona inaangaliwa na watu kama milioni tano hivi! nawote wano angalia hiiblog niwatu wenye akilia zao timamu, kwahiyo Waeleze watu huko wahusika kwamba tukate maneno mengi watanzania hutujawa tayari kwa muungano.
OUR BROTHER AND SISTER (KENYANS),WE LOVE YOU AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORKING AND I BET WE NEED TO LEARN FROM YOU.I HAD BEEN READ A LOT THE COMMENTS FROM KENYANS THEY ARE MORE INSULTS AND ABSURD..MY QUESTION IS, WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU GUYS?LET LIVE IN NEIGHBORHOOD SPIRITS,RESPECT AND LIVE IN HARMONY.I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF ADVANTAGES TO UNITE AND FORM FEDERATION BUT I THINK WE ARE NOT INTERESTED,WE CAN STAY AS NEIGHBORS AND HAVING RESPECT TO EACH OTHER REMEMBER STRONG FENCE MAKES GOOD NEIGHBORS.
ReplyDeleteI have just read all the comments posted. I do not condone the arrogance of Kenyans at all. I actually condemn the newspaper article which is the subject of these comments. I also do not condone the near xenophobia of Tanzanians. Stop for a moment and think: what was there before the Berlin Conference? There was Africa, the continent. No borders at all. Africans went and settled wherever they liked. My brothers of Kenya and Tanzania, I appeal to you all to stop this chest thumping that I have seen in your postings. And, PLEASE, leave the name of Mwalimu Julius Kambarage Nyerere out of this shouting match. He was a Pan Africanist. I implore you to think of the EAC in these terms: a market of 90 million people. All the countries have something to contribute. Remember, the EU came together in spite of having some poor countries like Portugal. There is nothing that breaks my heart like seeing a Maasai man in the que at the Immigration Office, Namanga, waiting for a stamp to enter Tanzania/Kenya. This is a very clear absurdity of the reluctance to create the EAC. Jamani, hakuna haja ya matharau na matusi. Ahsanteni
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