If Kenya were wealthier
By Mobhare Matinyi,
By Mobhare Matinyi,
Washington DC
The greatest murderer of the last century, Adolph Hitler, once wrote: “A definite factor in getting a lie believed is the size of the lie. The broad mass of the people, in the simplicity of their hearts, more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.”
Most of our northern neighbors, Kenyans, seem to have graduated into Hitler’s school of fabrications summa cum laude. These Kenyans have proven to be big bluffers, from the story of Mount Kilimanjaro to the feeling that theirs is a wealthy country and Tanzania is dirt poor.
These Kenyans swim in the Cold War era when the West sang songs of praises about Kenya for being a puppet. Knowledgeable Kenyans don’t. John Githongo, a former corruption czar in Kibaki’s Office, explained in Foreign Policy magazine in the February 2008 edition why the West (and now Kenyans themselves) got Kenya so wrong. Read from: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2008/02/12.
The fact that we, Tanzanians, don’t talk vainly or slander everybody around doesn’t mean we are stupid. Kenyans, don’t be cowards; we will overtake you soon (refer to IMF estimates at the end of this article). Remember what Julius Caesar said in Shakespeare’s famous play, The Merchant of Venice: "Cowards die many times before their deaths; the valiant never taste of death but once." Get ready Kenyans!
Yes, currently in East Africa, Kenya has the largest economy, so what? But if you redefine the region to include Ethiopia, Kenya is kicked out. It may sound like a joke, but Ethiopia, with its drought issues, civil strive, and war with Somalia, has been enjoying higher Gross Domestic Product (GDP) than Kenya consistently.
According to the International Monetary Fund (IMF), Ethiopia’s GDP based on Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) in 2009 was about US $71 billion while Kenya’s was around US $60 billion. Contrary to general perception, Ethiopia’s population living under the poverty line is 38.7 percent while in Kenya is 50 percent. In addition, Ethiopia’s public debt is 31.7 percent of the GDP while Kenya’s is 54.1 percent of the GDP.
Speaking of economic growth, Ethiopia enjoyed a rate of 7-8 percent in the last two-three years, competing only with Tanzania in the region. Kenya, if I can quote President Mwai Kibaki’s speech on Madaraka Day, June 1, 2010: “Kenya’s economic growth was 1.6 and 2.6 percents in 2008 and 2009 respectively.”
The Ethiopian currency, Birr, is valued at roughly 14 per US dollar while the Kenyan Shilling is valued at roughly 84. Furthermore, IATA reports that Ethiopian Airlines beats Kenya Airways on all measurements of success: fleet size, passengers, cargo tonnage, destinations and turn-over. I am sure Kenyans have no clue that the country they would easily scorn is actually stronger.
Back to the East Africa Community (EAC) where a Kenyan blogger asserts that Tanzania is the poorest. Speaking of 2008 GDP data (adjusted for PPP) from the World Bank, the ranking goes as follows in billions of dollars: Kenya 60.1, Tanzania 53.7, Uganda 36.9, Rwanda 9.9 and Burundi 3.1. Other data for 2009 don’t change the rankings either.
The story is the same in terms of per capita income. Let us take the CIA’s public records for 2009: Kenya $1,600; Tanzania $1,400; Uganda $1,300; Rwanda $900; and Burundi $300. Hence, attacking Tanzania is mere proof of Kenyans’ resentment towards Tanzania, unless Kenyans don’t read anything, hence, IGNORANCE syndrome.
Kenya runs a brutal capitalist economy in which the poor have no shot at anything while in Tanzania is different. Thus, about 80 percent of Tanzania’s economy exists in the informal sector (Ben Mkapa’s speeches in early 2000s), and maybe only half of that is factored into the GDP. Therefore, the moment we are done with formalization projects, our GDP could easily trail Kenya’s GDP very closely without adding a dollar, just organization.
Looking at other indicators of poverty the situation in Kenya is pathetic but reasonable Kenyans do agree. Frank Nyakairu from Reuters in Nairobi on September 10, 2009 reported on what Oxfam had found, that, about 60 percent of Nairobi residents (2 million people) live in slums. This is Kibera, where flying toilets are famous – that is, human feces wrapped up in plastic bags.
Every report attests that, in the EAC, Kenya has the largest of what Karl Marx called lumpenproletariat, the underclass of human population. Half of Kenya’s 40 million people (20 million) live under the poverty line, compared to 36 percent of 42 million people in Tanzania, which is about 15 million.
The US Agency for International Development (USAID) says this about Kenya: “Apart from the political elite and a small middle class, most citizens remain subsistence farmers. … and more than half of Kenyans are poor.” Then, adds: “Kenya has chronic shortages of food that affects 2-3 million people each year.” Read from: http://www.usaid.gov.
Kenya in the ninth place, making them among the ten worst countries in the world for a child to be born
On May 5, 2010, Save the Children released a report - State of the World’s Mothers grouping Kenya among the ten worst countries in the world for a child to be born. In maternal deaths and the number of health workers, Kenya ranks 15th and 16th from the bottom respectively among 160 countries surveyed.
The Kenyan owned blog, Kumekucha, reported on April 21, 2007: “Kenyan prostitutes flood London.” The blog said that young women and men hang out in cyber cafes in Mombasa and Nairobi searching for old partners in Europe as a ticket away from Kenyan abject poverty. Even when you listen to President Kibaki, he sounds like a father begging his kids to run out of their home. No hope!
Although in the 1970s Julius Nyerere’s government forced people against their will to live collectively in Ujamaa villages, but today Tanzania has more urbanites than Kenya. According to CIA public records, only 8.8 million Kenyans are urbanites compared to 10.5 million Tanzanians. We all know what it means to be a villager!
Kenya also has the largest public debt in East Africa, about 54.1 of the GDP while Tanzania has only 24.8 percent. When Hillary Clinton visited Nairobi in August 2009, the Kenyan Foreign Affairs Minister, Moses Wetangula, confirmed that his president begged for money from the Millennium Challenge Corporation (MCC). Read from http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2009a/08/126890.htm.
There is a reason behind Kenya’s downfall. Kenya’s scores in the World Governance Indicators (1996-2008) in five key dimensions of good governance out of six are below the average scores for Africa, while Tanzania’s scores are above average in all six dimensions. In the Corruption Perception Index 2009, Kenya ranks 146th among 180 countries, second to Burundi in the region.
The Kenyan paper, The Standard, on July 19, 2009, carried out a news analysis story to insist that Kenya is a failed state no matter how politicians argue against it. Yes, the Index of Failed States in 2008 considers places Kenya among the 15 failed states in the world.
Here is the worst news for conceited Kenyans. In April 2010, the IMF compiled the estimate for economic growth in the world from today to 2015. In 2010 Kenya’s GDP adjusted for PPP is estimated to be $65.059 billion and by 2015 to be $96.629 billion, which is pretty impressive.
However, although Tanzania’s GDP estimate for 2010 is estimated to be $61.364 billion but the IMF estimates that Tanzania’s GDP in 2015 will be $95.085 billion; just $1.544 billion shy of Kenya’s. What follows next is anybody’s guess: Tanzania will become the biggest economy in East Africa because in 2015 Uganda will probably be at $64.967 billion, Rwanda at $17.922 billion and Burundi at $4.695 billion.
To wrap up: Not all Kenyans are sadiddy. Tanzania is not above everybody but is striving to become so. Kenyans you need to know that ignorance and hatred doesn’t serve anybody well.
God bless Africa;
The greatest murderer of the last century, Adolph Hitler, once wrote: “A definite factor in getting a lie believed is the size of the lie. The broad mass of the people, in the simplicity of their hearts, more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.”
Most of our northern neighbors, Kenyans, seem to have graduated into Hitler’s school of fabrications summa cum laude. These Kenyans have proven to be big bluffers, from the story of Mount Kilimanjaro to the feeling that theirs is a wealthy country and Tanzania is dirt poor.
These Kenyans swim in the Cold War era when the West sang songs of praises about Kenya for being a puppet. Knowledgeable Kenyans don’t. John Githongo, a former corruption czar in Kibaki’s Office, explained in Foreign Policy magazine in the February 2008 edition why the West (and now Kenyans themselves) got Kenya so wrong. Read from: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2008/02/12.
The fact that we, Tanzanians, don’t talk vainly or slander everybody around doesn’t mean we are stupid. Kenyans, don’t be cowards; we will overtake you soon (refer to IMF estimates at the end of this article). Remember what Julius Caesar said in Shakespeare’s famous play, The Merchant of Venice: "Cowards die many times before their deaths; the valiant never taste of death but once." Get ready Kenyans!
Yes, currently in East Africa, Kenya has the largest economy, so what? But if you redefine the region to include Ethiopia, Kenya is kicked out. It may sound like a joke, but Ethiopia, with its drought issues, civil strive, and war with Somalia, has been enjoying higher Gross Domestic Product (GDP) than Kenya consistently.
According to the International Monetary Fund (IMF), Ethiopia’s GDP based on Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) in 2009 was about US $71 billion while Kenya’s was around US $60 billion. Contrary to general perception, Ethiopia’s population living under the poverty line is 38.7 percent while in Kenya is 50 percent. In addition, Ethiopia’s public debt is 31.7 percent of the GDP while Kenya’s is 54.1 percent of the GDP.
Speaking of economic growth, Ethiopia enjoyed a rate of 7-8 percent in the last two-three years, competing only with Tanzania in the region. Kenya, if I can quote President Mwai Kibaki’s speech on Madaraka Day, June 1, 2010: “Kenya’s economic growth was 1.6 and 2.6 percents in 2008 and 2009 respectively.”
The Ethiopian currency, Birr, is valued at roughly 14 per US dollar while the Kenyan Shilling is valued at roughly 84. Furthermore, IATA reports that Ethiopian Airlines beats Kenya Airways on all measurements of success: fleet size, passengers, cargo tonnage, destinations and turn-over. I am sure Kenyans have no clue that the country they would easily scorn is actually stronger.
Back to the East Africa Community (EAC) where a Kenyan blogger asserts that Tanzania is the poorest. Speaking of 2008 GDP data (adjusted for PPP) from the World Bank, the ranking goes as follows in billions of dollars: Kenya 60.1, Tanzania 53.7, Uganda 36.9, Rwanda 9.9 and Burundi 3.1. Other data for 2009 don’t change the rankings either.
The story is the same in terms of per capita income. Let us take the CIA’s public records for 2009: Kenya $1,600; Tanzania $1,400; Uganda $1,300; Rwanda $900; and Burundi $300. Hence, attacking Tanzania is mere proof of Kenyans’ resentment towards Tanzania, unless Kenyans don’t read anything, hence, IGNORANCE syndrome.
Kenya runs a brutal capitalist economy in which the poor have no shot at anything while in Tanzania is different. Thus, about 80 percent of Tanzania’s economy exists in the informal sector (Ben Mkapa’s speeches in early 2000s), and maybe only half of that is factored into the GDP. Therefore, the moment we are done with formalization projects, our GDP could easily trail Kenya’s GDP very closely without adding a dollar, just organization.
Looking at other indicators of poverty the situation in Kenya is pathetic but reasonable Kenyans do agree. Frank Nyakairu from Reuters in Nairobi on September 10, 2009 reported on what Oxfam had found, that, about 60 percent of Nairobi residents (2 million people) live in slums. This is Kibera, where flying toilets are famous – that is, human feces wrapped up in plastic bags.
Every report attests that, in the EAC, Kenya has the largest of what Karl Marx called lumpenproletariat, the underclass of human population. Half of Kenya’s 40 million people (20 million) live under the poverty line, compared to 36 percent of 42 million people in Tanzania, which is about 15 million.
The US Agency for International Development (USAID) says this about Kenya: “Apart from the political elite and a small middle class, most citizens remain subsistence farmers. … and more than half of Kenyans are poor.” Then, adds: “Kenya has chronic shortages of food that affects 2-3 million people each year.” Read from: http://www.usaid.gov.
Kenya in the ninth place, making them among the ten worst countries in the world for a child to be born
On May 5, 2010, Save the Children released a report - State of the World’s Mothers grouping Kenya among the ten worst countries in the world for a child to be born. In maternal deaths and the number of health workers, Kenya ranks 15th and 16th from the bottom respectively among 160 countries surveyed.
The Kenyan owned blog, Kumekucha, reported on April 21, 2007: “Kenyan prostitutes flood London.” The blog said that young women and men hang out in cyber cafes in Mombasa and Nairobi searching for old partners in Europe as a ticket away from Kenyan abject poverty. Even when you listen to President Kibaki, he sounds like a father begging his kids to run out of their home. No hope!
Although in the 1970s Julius Nyerere’s government forced people against their will to live collectively in Ujamaa villages, but today Tanzania has more urbanites than Kenya. According to CIA public records, only 8.8 million Kenyans are urbanites compared to 10.5 million Tanzanians. We all know what it means to be a villager!
Kenya also has the largest public debt in East Africa, about 54.1 of the GDP while Tanzania has only 24.8 percent. When Hillary Clinton visited Nairobi in August 2009, the Kenyan Foreign Affairs Minister, Moses Wetangula, confirmed that his president begged for money from the Millennium Challenge Corporation (MCC). Read from http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2009a/08/126890.htm.
There is a reason behind Kenya’s downfall. Kenya’s scores in the World Governance Indicators (1996-2008) in five key dimensions of good governance out of six are below the average scores for Africa, while Tanzania’s scores are above average in all six dimensions. In the Corruption Perception Index 2009, Kenya ranks 146th among 180 countries, second to Burundi in the region.
The Kenyan paper, The Standard, on July 19, 2009, carried out a news analysis story to insist that Kenya is a failed state no matter how politicians argue against it. Yes, the Index of Failed States in 2008 considers places Kenya among the 15 failed states in the world.
Here is the worst news for conceited Kenyans. In April 2010, the IMF compiled the estimate for economic growth in the world from today to 2015. In 2010 Kenya’s GDP adjusted for PPP is estimated to be $65.059 billion and by 2015 to be $96.629 billion, which is pretty impressive.
However, although Tanzania’s GDP estimate for 2010 is estimated to be $61.364 billion but the IMF estimates that Tanzania’s GDP in 2015 will be $95.085 billion; just $1.544 billion shy of Kenya’s. What follows next is anybody’s guess: Tanzania will become the biggest economy in East Africa because in 2015 Uganda will probably be at $64.967 billion, Rwanda at $17.922 billion and Burundi at $4.695 billion.
To wrap up: Not all Kenyans are sadiddy. Tanzania is not above everybody but is striving to become so. Kenyans you need to know that ignorance and hatred doesn’t serve anybody well.
God bless Africa;
God bless Tanzania!
Mdau Mobhare Matinyi,
Washington DC.
mobhare@gmail.com.
kaka mobhare umesema yote hakuna cha kuongeza wakenya wanadharau sana watanzania sio tu wakiwa nchini kwao hata hawa tuliowastiri tukawapa ajira bado wananyanyasa sa watanzania, wanajiona wapo juu kweli kweli, juzi tu hapa wakazi wa tarime na sirari wamelalamika askari wa kikenya mpakani, wana roho mbaya sana if they are wealthier what r they doing in our homeland. they should go back to Kenya kuinjoy huo utajiri wanaouringia!!!!! am fed up with these kenyans sema tu watanzania hatuna desturi ya chokochoko na nchi jirani!
ReplyDeleteMR. MATINYI WITH RESPECTING I FINDS HARD TO NOT COMPARE YOU AND ANOTHER MBUMBUMBU WITH FEW CV MR. MDABURN 1 WHY? THE TOPICK THERE AND HERE WERE ABOUT KENYA AND TANZANIA OR HOWEVER KAMAU AND TANZANIA NOW YOU DON'T FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS YOU WAKE UP AND START INSULTING KENYA BY COMPARE THEIR GDP WITH ETHIOPIA, I CAN'T BELIEVE MYSELF WE HAS BEEN KEEPING PEOPLE LIKE YOU GIVING US NOTICE OF OTHER NATIONS WITHOUTING READING WHAT ARE SAID. UNAKURUPUKA SASA UNASEMA ETHIOPIA NI MAZURI KURIKO KENYA WANACHAKURA KINGI NA WATOTO WAO WENGI SIYO MASKINI KAMA WA KENYA, SISI TUNATAKA MABISHANO YA KENYA NA TANZANIA SASA HAWA WASOMALI WA ETHIOPIA WANAINGIYAJE HUMU, MATINYI I ASKING YOU TO GO BACK AND RESEARCH MUCH BEFORE YOU BRING US BOGUS EVIDENCE OF ETHIOPIA, FIRST ETHIOPIA CAN NOT BE COMPARED EVEN IF LET SAY BURUNDI SEMBUSE KENYA AND TANZANIA? THIS ARE WHY WE GET INSULT OF KAMAU. THE BRING OF BLAZIL WAS MUCH BASED OF PERSONAL INTERESTED NOT PATRIOTISM AND WE SHALL PAY PRICES OUT OF THAT. NO TOURISM WILL COME BECAUSE OF FOOTBALL MARCH, IF THAT IS WHY THEREFORE EVERY COUNTRIES WAS GOING TO BRING BLAZIL OR GERMANS TO PROMOTE TOURIST IN THEIR RESPECTIVE COUNTRIES.
ReplyDeleteWakenya wanjaua "kazi" bwana.
ReplyDeleteKuiba vijesenti wanabeba hand grenades!
Njaa mbaya, vijisent huna haja ya kung'oa watu meno!
OPEN LETTER TO MICHUZI, MASHAKA AND MATINYI....!
ReplyDeleteSALAAM ALEIKUMU WATANZANIA WENZANGU, NAANZA KWA KUSEMA.....
KAKA MICHUZI KWA KWELI MIMI NAANZA KUKULAUMU WEWE KWA KIASI FULANI. HUU MJADALA ULIANZA KWA BWANA KAMAU KUTOA KASHFA NA MATUSI KUHUSU TANZANIA NA PIA KUTUFANANISHA NA WANYAMA, KWANZA NINGEPENDA KUTOA UKWELI KATIKA HIYO HABARI HATUNA UHAKIKA KAMA NI KAMAU MKENYA AMA MTANZANIA AMETUMIA JINA LA KAMAU KWA KUTAFUTA UMAARUFU. PILI HATA KAMA NI KAMAU MKENYA HATUNA SABABU ZA KUENDELEZA HUU MJADALA HUKU TUKIITUPIA LAWAMA NA MATUSI NCHI YA KENYA HUKU TUKIJUA FIKA HAKUNA UHAKIKA WOWOTE KENYA KAMA NCHI INAWAKILISHA MAWAZO YA KAMAU. SASA HAPA BADALA YA KUMSAKAMA KAMAU TUNAWATUKANA/WASAKAMA WAKENYA WOTE. TULICHOTAKIWA KUFANYA KAMA TUNA HIZO FACTS ZOTE KUHUSU NANI BORA KENYA AMA TANZANIA KWA NINI TUZIANDIKE KWA NINI TUNABISHANA NA MWENDAWAZIMU KAMAU? HII INATUFANYA NA SISI TUNAOBISHANA NA WENDAWAZIMU TUONEKANE WENDAWAZIMU. MIMI NAFIKIRI KATIKA MANENO YA KAMAU KUNAUWEZEKANO YANAKAUKWELI NA YANATUUMA HATUPENDI KUAMBIWA UKWELI ZAIDI YA KUSIFIWA. MMEKWISHA SEMA KAMAU NI IGNORANCE AND ARROGANT SASA YA NINI KUENDELEA KUTUPIANA LAWAMA ACHANENI NAYE KILA MTU ANAJUA UKWELI WA NCHI YAKE KAMA SISI WATANZANIA NI BORA KULIKO WAKENYA AMA WAKENYA NI BORA KULIKO SISI SAWA KILA MMOJA ANAJUA UKWELI UPO WAPI HAKUNA HAJA YA WATU WAZIMA NA HESHIMA ZAO HASA WATU NILIOKUWA NAWAONA NA HEKIMA KAMA MATINYI NA JOHN MASHAKA KUWA TRAPPED KWENYE HAYA MARUMBANO YASIYO NA KICHWA WALA MIGUU. SASA TUMEPATA NINI BAADA YA HAYA MARUMBANO YA KILA SIKU, HII INAONESHA HATUNA MUDA WA KUFANYA KAZI, KUENDELEA KUITUKANA NCHI NYINGINE HUKU TUKIJUA NI MTU MMOJA NDIYO ALIYETUTUKANA HAISAIDII BALI INATUFANYA WOTE TUONEKANE KAMA KAMAU IGNORANT AND ARROGANT
wahenga walisema UKILA NA KIPOFU USIMSHIKE MKONO....naona ndugu zetu wakenya hawajui hii,sasa tumewavumilia wanatuona mafala, tutakula nao sahani moja,najua mnasoma humu,GET READY PREPARE URSELF.
ReplyDeleteBro Mobhare, asante kwa comments zako ambazo ninakubaliana nazo 100%. I've lived in Kenya and I know that behind the apparent contempt some of them openly express, there is envy and hatred. Kwa kweli hali ya walio wengi Kenya ni mbaya mno kuliko ya walalahoi wa TZ. Wale wanaodanganyika na city centre ya Nairobi, westlands, runda, n.k. hawaijui kenya,nendeni kwenye ma-slums muone namna ya 75% ya wakazi wa nairobi wanavyoishi. Unaweza kutokwa na machozi. Kabla hawajavamia ardhi yetu, waanze kugawana 80% ya ardhi yao inayomilikwa na familia zisizozidi 200. A. Simba.
ReplyDeleteHi Wabongoland.
ReplyDeleteJamaa amekusanya data za kutosha na sidhani kama mtu anataka kubishana nazo.
Mimi nashauri watanzania tupige kazi tu na kuacha kubishana na hawa wakenya. Waacheni wapige mdomo wakija stuka sisi waleee.
Wabongo hatuna desturi ya majigambo.
Ni hayo tu.
K.O.R.
hivi hakuna topic nyingine yaani mtu mmoja anatugeuza kama wajinga kwa nini tusichukue ushauri wa zena wa kuachana na hii topick maana naona kama inazidi kuchochea chuki baina ya ndugu zetu na jirani zetu kenya kwa sababu ya mtu mmoja ambaye ameongea kwa manufaa yake mwenyewe, sasa naona kila mtu ana attack kenya na watu wake badala ya kamau. sijui nani mjinga hapa kamau ama wanao attack kenya? inatia aibu kabisa na kinyaa wengine tumeoa wakenya sasa hata ndoa zetu zinaanza kuwa katika marumbano.
ReplyDeletekaka umeongea yote ni ya kweli lakini shughuli inakuja hapa kwetu, we don't know how to market ourselves. we are so relaxed ndio maana tunaibiwa. this whole thing is about identity/communication. the guys wametutumia kama sliding board kujitangaza na wamefanikiwa kujenga the so called perceived identity which is obviously misleading. kwa hiyo sisi watanzania tunatakiwa kucorrect this misalignment by communicating our actual identity to create an image which will lead to reputation.
ReplyDeleteMobhare I think you have done a good job to compare data of EAC countries.
ReplyDeleteBut the fact still remains Kenya seems to be ahead Tanzania in many aspects despite their problems - which strangely we also share.
However, in some aspects Tanzania has promise and relative peace. My question is what have we shown all these years?
What I do not agree with you is generalization where you acuse Kenyans collectively despite mentioning afew Kenyans that you support for condemning the ills in their country.
You mentioned a case of Kenyans falling for prostitution because of poverty citing a Kenyan blog. True. But is that not the same in Tanzania? I think I dont need to give examples but my point is you seem to be biased and this is what I call KENYANPHOBIA - FEAR OF KENYANS.
Few Tanzanians compared to Kenyans can compete in a free market because of lack of skills maily language. Maybe we need to start by improving our language. You cannot generalize just because you do not like the ideas of an unknow "PAUL KAMAU" posing as a Kenyan and whose origin can be traced from this blog because of his frequent and abusive postings that have been allowed. Eti, Wakenya wana dharau, je sisi hatuna Watanzania wenye dharau na "matusi" kama huyo "Paulo Kamau"? Mifano ipo humu humu kwenye BLOG YA MICHUZI.
Again you are fueling the fire by generalizing rather than adding a voice of reason. You can do better than this Mobhare.
mimi nafikilia tuwazarau tu!!
ReplyDeletena badala yake tuongeze bidii zetu za maisha ya kila mmoja wetu kwani wao kama ni matajiri au wasomi sio mbaya kwani aliyewapa wao ndiye aliyetunyima sisi, ila mkumbuke asiye na hili ana lile na kwa mtu timamu kumzarau binadamu mwezako ni mapungufu tu hayo.
kaka zangu dada zangu wote mnaokerwa na tabia za wakenya naomba muwazarau tu wasituumize kichwa ipo siku watajiona wajinga na watakuwa wameshachelewa kwani hata tukiwajari hawatatuheshimu so hivyo naona haisaidii. zarau zao hazitawatajirihsa na wala hazitupunguzii ila ukweli huenda wanaujuwa kuwa sisi hatuna njaa kama wao siwacheki kwani hawakuiomba. tuwe na amani tu wao ni wakenya nasi ni wa TZ watu wapenda amani
Watanzania msilalamike kudharauliwa hiyo ni hali halisi ya maisha. Angalieni maneno wanayosema hao Wakenya juu yenu kama yanaukweli jisahihisheni. Msitake kuleta chokochoko hapa.
ReplyDelete......mobhare....good!..who needs say ,more ....? let him come with facts
ReplyDeleteoctavian
Kama kila ref iliyotolewa ni genuine, basi Nimekunyooshea mikono kaka Mobhare. Kazi nzuri sana. Sasa wanaojifanya wananyua stats waje na mbwembwe zao. Sikuwa na muda wa kuthibitisha vyote kwani naamini asiyeamini ndio mwenye kazi ya kuhakikisha uaminifu wake.
ReplyDeleteKuna mshkaji mmoja wa Kikenya hapa Ukerewe, ni mtu wangu wa karibu sana i can say, Huwa anarudia mara kadhaa WEWE NDIO MTZ WA KWANZA KUONA UKO FOCUSED. Huwa namtazama halaf nasema kimoyo moyo, Dharau hazikupeleki popote, na Ntakuacha mbali sana kimaendeleo kama ndio mtazamo wako huo. Kwakuwa ni Mjinga huwa namuacha wala simkohoi... Kuna siku Tulikuwa kwenye birthday ya mwanae, hayo maneno wakenya waliyokuwa wanasema kuhusu WaTz huwezi amini, halaf na Mimi nilikuwepo, sasa sijui nisingekuwepo wangefikia wapi, manaake niliconsider kwamba walijaribu kutumia tafsida kadri ya uwezo wao.
Lakini pamoja na mawazo yote mazuri na statistics zinazotoa mwanga...bado sijasikia mtu ananishawishi kwa nini kulipa TZS 3BIL ili tu Brasil waje Tanzania...hivi 3BIL ingekuwa na impact gani kama ingetolewa pale mhumbili hospitali au kutoa scholarship kwa waTZ kwenda vyuo vizuri kusoma ili waitumikie nchi yao. Huyu jamaa wa Kenya katutukana lakini kuna ukweli pia kasema
ReplyDeleteaaaaaaaaaaah!! u have made my day.... ciao
ReplyDeleteWuuuuuuuusssssaaaaaaa........
ReplyDeleteDuu, talk about things that make you go mmmhhhhhhhhh......!!!!????
ReplyDeleteHuu mjadala unaoendelea kuhusu Kenya na Tanzania unaweza kuwa unavuta watu wengi kwenye blog hii, lakini ninawasiwasi na matokeo. Nimekuwa nikufuatilia huu mjadala, tangia Kamau alipopendekeza mambo mawili matatu, lakini naona huku huu mjadala unapoelekea sio penyewe. Pamoja kuna kuwa na mambo mawili matatu ya msingi yanayochangiwa lakini mengi ni kutupiana vijembe na kashfa. Chonde chonde, uhasama unajengekaga hivi hivi taratibu taratibu. Watanzania wenzangu tuacheni majungu, kwani huu mjadala sasa haujengi chochote bali umekuwa jamvi la taarabu na mipasho..Mimi nilisema, kwani ushabiki wa mambo kama haya, mwisho wake si mzuri..nadhani werevu wataelewa, lets not sacrifice our friendship with our neighbors for few more click on the blog..enough is enough
ReplyDeletewhats the different btn you and Kamau? u re all bashing the other side,kabla ya kulaumu Kamau look at you first na inachoandika,then hizo GDP hazina maana yeyote kwa mwananchi wa kawaida kama hana chakula wala hawezi kupeleka mtoto shule,na GDP kubwa ya TZ ni gold money ambayo kila mtu anajua zile billions zinaonekana kwenye Economy yetu lakini zote zinaishia wall street as dividend na hata tax hawalipi...simply its all on the paper,kubali tuu Kenya wametuzidi sana maana atleast wana viwanda na production iko juu na watu wanapata kazi kuliko kwetu,haya mambo ya kujidanganya eti Kenya hawatuwezi haisaidii yeyote acheni watu wafanye kazi tuu na wajijue ni maskini tuu,GDP yetu yote ipo Geita na haiingii kwenye uchumi wote zaidi ya kwenye export data
ReplyDeleteWell put lad I only like to advise kenyans that we are in need of the economic intergration for people who treats us like human and not like animals!!!!
ReplyDeleteMara nyingi roho mbaya na chuki hujionesha usoni. Wakenya wanasura mbaya sana wengine wamepita hata raisi wao. Nadhani kitu pekee kinachowasaidia ku-cope na stress za kuwa unattractive ni kuanzisha ubishani usio na msingi kuhusu utajiri wa nchi, while kama individuals, hawan kitu chochote na wanaishi maisha ya mende wa baa
ReplyDeleteNimekwaminia kweli Mobhare ni strategist.
ReplyDeleteLakini kama unamjibu Mjomba Kamau, huyo ni kanyaboya tu ambae anaweza kuwa jirani yako hapo DC
These are the kind of Tanzanians we need, knowledgeable, articulate. The cancer we have in Tanzania is laziness to reading. We dont read. Matinyi has quoted how many books and speeches he has gone through to come up with his thoughts and conclusions? To compete in this East African and the global world we need this. Otherwise we will continue to feel inferior before Kenyans and Ugandans in our own country. Hundreds of them are here taking our jobs and businesses just because we can not express ourselves better than them and we do not have confidence to stand toe to toe and compete agaisnt them. How many Tanzanias have taken kenyan and ugandan serious jobs and businesses? We need to wake up. Read,acquire knowledge have confidence, speak your mind and put your words and knowledge into action. Thank you brother Matinyi, welcome back to Tanzania to build you nation...usizamie sana na unashambulia toka nje..unajua fimbo ya mbali..utaguta nyoka kwisha kimbia (said Patel Singh)
ReplyDeleteMobhare Matinyi, wakondya sana YEGO!
ReplyDeleteUnatisha mkuu, once a JOURNALIST always a JOURNALIST! anayekupinga, he must'nt have seen the inside of the class. Nimependa ulivyotoa analysis yako na ukaenda mbali zaidi kwamba if it was regionalwise hata WEthiopia pamoja na matatizo waliyonayo bado wanawazidi wakenya! Sasa hiki kiburi kinatoka wapi nyie wakenya!
You badly said it mkuu, no more to addd!
I salute Brother!
We have to agree Kenyans are well ahead of us, either they benefited from colonial past or through sheer hard-work, innovation and creativity. Kenyans are more aggressive and ambitious, we like to sit at vijiweni looking for mishe mishe and talk to death, they talk and DO, they are more practical than us, there is no Mungu akipenda or umwinyi umwinyi, they are not afraid of work and they tend to make sure a day doesn't pass without doing something worthwhile. We Tanzanians are more lege lege, we afraid of hard work and are not creative enough.
ReplyDeleteJust have a look at a simple BBC outline of Kenya
Facts
* Population: 39.8 million (UN, 2009)
* Area: 582,646 sq km (224,961 sq miles)
* Major languages: Swahili, English
* Life expectancy: 54 years (men), 55 years (women) (UN)
* Monetary unit: 1 Kenya shilling = 100 cents
* Main exports: Tea, coffee, horticultural products, petroleum products
* GNI per capita: US $770 (World Bank, 2008)
And Tanzania...
# Population: 43.7 million (UN, 2009)
# Capital: Dodoma (official), Dar es Salaam (commercial)
# Largest city: Dar es Salaam
# Area: 945,087 sq km (364,900 sq miles)
# Major languages: English, Swahili
# Life expectancy: 55 years (men), 56 years (women) (UN)
# Monetary unit: 1 Tanzanian shilling = 100 cents
# Main exports: Sisal, cloves, coffee, cotton, cashew nuts, minerals, tobacco
# GNI per capita: US $440 (World Bank, 2008).
Now people deduce these figures by yourselves, no wonder the nyang'aus are gloating!
Habari Zenu, mimi ni Mkenya, the simplest thing i can think of saying now is Tanzania is better than Kenya in many ways i mean many ways,we Kenyans are discriminated in our own land and that make life too difficult to handle, i have lived in Tanzania for 2 years, people there are enjoyin life thats why even Tanzanians abroad return home more than Kenyans, ask yourself why?
ReplyDeleteKwa wale tu wanofikiri kuwa Kujua kuongea Kiingereza ama lugha za kigeni ni 'Maendeleo' kuliko Mchina anayeweza kuunda mashine na kuiuza ulimwenguni na akiwa hajui Lugha za nchi zinazonunua bidhaa hiyoooo?
ReplyDeleteHii kauli imekuwa ikitolewa saana na marafiki zangu wengi dhidi ya watanzania! Just try to reflect back miaka kama 100 iliyopita wakati kwanza hakukuwa na mipaka hii mnayoita Kenya na Tanzania wala Burundi n.k Lilikuwa ni bara la Africa moja. je ni Lugha gani zilikuwa zinatumika katika kila kitongoji .i. e Kenya, Uganda n.k na Kama si mkoloni leo hii mgekuwa na mada ya Ukenya na U TZ?
Wakati umefika sasa tuangalie ni wapituanze kushirikiana na hatimaye kuwa one stromng Economy...? Nafurahia sana Maraisi wetu hawana saaana haya yetu. lakini wasidharau kwan sasa yapo. Nakupongeza Michuzi kuibua haya...wizara ya Afrika Mashariki mpoooo? wapi?!!!!!
Asante Mobhare. Hao wanaosema eti keya imeendelea hawaijui kenya. Umaskini wa wakenya wengi ni wa kutisha kuliko wetu. Mjini kati nairobi ni danganya toto tu. kama kweli wameendelea mbona kuna ma-slums mengi na mabaya na makubwa kuliko yote afrika? mbona wanategemea mazao ya chakula kutoka tz na uganda? mbona hawamiliki ardhi yao wenyewe? statistics za msukumamzanaki hazina maana yoyote kwa sisi tunayoijua kenya vizuri. Once again, thanks bro mobhare.
ReplyDeleteWe unayejiita 'Patel Singh' tafuta pen-name nyingine. Singh ni jina la kipanjabi na linatumika na watu wa dini ya Sikh (kalasing). Patel ni jina la ki-gujirati na linatumika na watu tabaka (caste) ya wafanyabiashara. Wako wahindu (mabaniani) waliobatizwa au kusilimu wakawa wakristo au waislamu; hao wanalitumia patel kama jina la ukoo na si jina la kwanza. Huwezi kuwa Patel na Singh . Upeo wako huo ni kielelezo tosha cha kuonyesha kwa nini unajikomba kwa hao watani wa jadi. Julius M.
ReplyDeleteMimi nina swali moja tu: Hivi huu mjadala si mbinu ya ku-divert attention kutoka matatizo lukuki yanayotukabili Bongo? Hivi kweli tumeacha kujadili ufisadi na sakata la Tucta na serikali na kukimbilia madala huu wakati hata hatuna ukakika kama huyo anayejiita Kamau ni Mkenya? Tanzania tuna matatizo mengi sana ambayo tunaweza kuyajadili humu badala ya kumkomalia huyo anayejiita Kamau na Wakenya.
ReplyDeleteKenya ni BURE kabisa!
ReplyDeleteWe anon wa 06:4200 PM, maoni yako yanaelekea kuwa una menality ya ki-uncle tom, kama baadhi ya waafrika waliojikomba kwa wageni na kuwauza ndugu zao kwa ajili ya shanga na vyoo vya kujitazamia. Otherwise, kwa nini hutaki watu waeleze ukweli wakati tunatukanwa na watu ambao nchi yao leaves a lot more to be desired compared to us. Kama unataka kuwatetea, sema straight, sio kututaka sisi tunaoijua kenya vizuri tunyamaze. Mbona huwaambii hao kina kamau wafunge traps zao??? Mangi.
ReplyDeleteNdugu zangu watanzania, yametosha yaliyozungumzwa juu ya mada ya Mr. KAMAU. Hebu sasa tuongelee maswala yetu hapa nchini. Wote tunafahamu kuwa tunakabiriwa na swala nyeti la uchaguzi mkuu katika nchi yetu tuipenayo. Basi tufikiri ni nini cha kujadiri kitakacho tusaidia kupiga kura zetu kwa viongozi watakao lifaa Taifa letu na wnanchi wake kwa ujumla. mimi yangu ni hayo tu kwa sasa.
ReplyDeleteAnon 12:04 AM, ndiyo tuko tayari kuongelea mambo mengine. Lakini tukitukanwa na kupewa data za kikanyaboya na uongo, tuna haki ya kujibu. Nadhani unatakiwa umueleze huyo aliyeanzisha ujinga huo ("kamau")na si sisi tuanaojibu. Mimi (kama baadhi ya wachangiaji hapo) ninaijua kenya barabara na ninazo opinion zangu based on facts. Wasiliana na huyo 'mwenzako kamau'.
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mdau wa TUE JUN 08 02:23 wewe ni mkenya na utabaki kuwa ivo sasa acha kujifanya mTZ..hapo kilichoelezwa ni fact ambazo wakenya wengi hamzijui kwa sababu wengi wenu wanasikiliza maneno ya mtaani kuhusu TZ..nakwambia ivo kwa sababu nishaishi na wakenya..hawa jamaa bwana ikitokea dada yao katoka na mTZ afu wakaachana basi wanamtenga na hakuna mkenya atayemtongoza eti kwa sababu tu alikuwa na mtz..pia wao wenyewe ikitokea mkenya kanunua kinywaj afu anakunywa huku anatembea nacho mtaan basi wakikaa wanamsema anaiga tabia za waTZ...hawa jamaa wana matatzo mengi sana.
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