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Pili kadri mjadala unavozidi kuendelea ningependa kukufahamisha kwamba article ya Gitau Warigi ilikua inafuata mada ya article ya mhariri mwenzake wa Nation aitwaye Tom Mshindi.
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Article ya Tom Mshindi pia inalalamikia kutowajibika kwa tanzania katika kutimiza halahala lile lengo la EAC and EAF.
Utaipata hapa:
http://www.nation.co.ke/oped/Opinion/-/
440808/464950/-/item/0/-/u4b275z/-/index.html
Shukrani ambassada wa Zain,
Mdau Jomo K
Shukrani ambassada wa Zain,
Mdau Jomo K
As Tanzania dithers, EA integration must roll on
By Tom Mshindi
In Summary
*The theory and experience of regional integration provides ample evidence that subordinating national interests to a supranational authority is not an easy feat.
*Tanzanian leaders argue that its people are not ready for the envisaged integration because its political and economic structures cannot manage the demands of integration.
*Tanzania wants to enjoy the advantage of having feet in both camps for as long as possible before it finally opts for one – probably SADCC – after wasting its neighbours’ valuable time.
It is regrettable but hardly surprising that Burundi, Kenya, Rwanda and Uganda must now proceed with the East African regional integration project without Tanzania because it is scared about the implications of progressing with plans to set up a common market by 2010 and a political federation by 2015.
Tanzania’s unease was evident from early 2007 when results from the referendum conducted on the pace at which the integration should be conducted returned a verdict that its citizens saw no need for haste because their national systems and institutions were not quite ready to embrace East Africa as completely as the integration envisaged.
This is hardly surprising. The theory and experience of regional integration provides ample evidence that subordinating national interests to a supranational authority is not an easy feat even for countries that otherwise have plenty else in common.
The EU integration that started more than 30 years ago is still very much a work in progress. Had the initial signatories of the European Union waited until all eligible members were ready, they would still be waiting.
A decision from the rest of the Eastern African countries to proceed without Tanzania will not, therefore, be seen as a betrayal of the EA spirit. Tanzania should be free to make decisions that it feels are in its best interest just as the other countries are free to do.
For them, however, those interests are best served by creating an entity whose sum total is bigger than its individual units – economically, politically and socially.
Tanzania does not advance a compelling case why it is getting cold feet so late into the process.
Its fears became apparent when the Wako Commission on the fast-tracking of the integration process proposed a formula that would see the political process rolled out parallel to the economic one.
Tanzanian leaders argue that its people are not ready for the envisaged integration because its political and economic structures cannot manage the demands of integration – which call for elimination of all trade barriers, allowing free movement of goods and services, and finally having a political federation.
Informally, Tanzanians will confess their main problem is Kenya’s stronger economy and the aggressive streak of its entrepreneurs. It is very concerned that Kenyan professionals will have an unfair advantage over Tanzanians.
This week, Tanzania’s East African Co-operation minister Diodorus Kamala told a meeting of private sector representatives in Arusha that his country would insist that non-citizens be barred from acquiring land.
Although he was quick to reassure his surprised audience that land for business purposes would still be available, the caveat he desires exposes a deep-seated and largely misplaced fear that citizens from one country – supposedly Kenya – will migrate en masse and inhabit Tanzania’s vast virgin land.
These reasons must be taken for what they are – belated excuses to delay a process whose potential benefits have been fully demonstrated.
It is tempting to agree with those arguing that Tanzania is suffering serious indecision over its status as a member of both the East African Cooperation project and SADCC.
It wants to enjoy the advantage for having feet in both camps for as long as possible before it finally opts for one – probably SADCC – after wasting its neighbours’ valuable time.
It must have been very clear for Tanzania that regional integration comes with a cost, and none larger than the cost of surrendering some autonomy and opening up its doors to allow the infusion of resources and competition from its neighbours.
It should also know that Kenya's industrialists are not going to close shop and wait for their neighbours to raise their production sophistication levels before they can compete.
Tanzania should have devised a strategy that enables its industrialists to benefit from partnering with others who will set up shop there. It should be using this time to expose its professionals to skills and work attitudes that raise their competitiveness – just as Uganda and Rwanda are doing.
Sioni kwanini watu wanahangaika kuwajibu hawa wakenya. Ikumbukwe Wakenya na Waganda wamekuwa na msukumo wa muungano kwa sababu ya matatizo yao ya ndani. Kenya wakati hata hawajaanza kuuana walikuwa wameshindwa kukubaliana mstakabali wa nchi yao kule Mombasa kwenye mchakato wa "Bomas". Waganda walikuwa bado hawana muafaka wa "third term" ya M7. Wakati huo wote wanasukuma muungano!! Sasa sisi sio jamvi la wageni. Tusione aibu kuona tunaukaribu zaidi na wenzetu wa SADC kuliko hawa jamaa
ReplyDeleteMICHUZI EE....HII DEBATE IISHE BASI. AU HUNA JIPYA?
ReplyDeleteMIMI NADHANI COMMENT ZA MASHAKA ZILITOSHA KUWA CLOSING COMMENTS? AU
SINA NIA YA KUZUIA UHURU WA KUJIELEZA, ILA NAONA MJADALA UPO KWA AJILI YA SISI KUJITETEA TU, KWANI WENZETU WANAONA HATUENDI INAVYOTAKIWA, KWA MSINGI HUU SIONI KAMA MJADALA HUU NI ENDELEVU KWANI TULIYOKWISHA SEMA YANAJIBU YOTE
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Mashaka is right.
ReplyDeleteIt was Kenya back in 1977 that made all necessary for EAC to collapse.
Leaving with all benefits and sends packing all Tanzanians working in Nairobi and Mombasa. I was there and saw all this happening. To many in Tanzania that memory is still alive. As Kenyan, I visited Tanzania recently and saw this neighbor of ours making small progress in some areas of its need. I talked to one of my friends there and they told me point blank that they are in surprise now on what has happened to Kenya, which is running in full swing to want everybody join the EA federation. In there words - “Kenya is doing the same and dictating to others that it’s a superpower” and either way they can run with the federation. This friend of mine told me, if we (Kenya) need EA without Tanzania then its ok to join even further unity with Uganda, Somalia and Ethiopia who we share borders with.
Let’s remember the EA was years and years made by three countries Kenya, Uganda and Tanzania and it was Tanzania again in 1984 through President Mwinyi revived the need of EA federation. To let ourselves (Kenya) sail the waters without Tanzania is a show of stupidity. We have to learn that Uganda and Rwanda are big warriors into this region despite them being small countries compared to our (Kenya). They are heavily armed and if joined together lets not make any mistake there are brighter militarily and once in and learn our ego they will overthrow our Nairobi government. The same way they have done in their countries and in Zaire. The only country that can or will stand for us while we are running these two warriors attacking us (Kenya) will be Tanzania. So let’s talk with them in elderly manners. We have gone way far from 1985 to date, and there is no reason of jumping without them.
Despite our needs, either in there Land or anything, let’s go slowly with this big heart brotherly neighbor of ours (Tanzania). We Kenyans have to know what we say to (Tanzania)or on them and make sure that some bad words, like those articles written by Warigis and Mshindis are not to be published and more of those alike (one-kamau for example) that we keep saying on them makes them stay away of us and the EA federation as long as they can.
We are all East African and we need to understand each other.
It must have been very clear for Tanzania that regional integration comes with a cost, and none larger than the cost of surrendering some autonomy and opening up its doors to allow the infusion of resources and competition from its neighbours.
ReplyDeleteA cost that we cannot afford for now.
Thats sums up my point, I concurr with "Disturbed Kenyan" contribution, Kenya cannot dictate the AGENDA.
Michuzi tell them to move on and if possible they should include Zimbabwe as well. We are not going to take part in the EA confideration blindly. However I feel with this kind of attitude, Tanzanians we should formally declare quit from the process. TUWAOGOPE HAO WAKENYA KAMA UKOMA!
ReplyDeleteI hope Kikwete reads Tanzanians mind very well. M7 anatafuta term ya nne kwenye hii jumuiya. WATUKOME WATOTO WA MAREHEMU KAMBARAGE NYERERE.
Jamani kuna mambo mengi tu ya kuangaliwa kabla ya muungano. Nashangaa hakuna mtu anayezungumzia kwamba pamoja na matatizo yoooooteambayo Tanzania inajaribu kuyaepukwa kwa kutopaparikia muungano huu, bado Kenya na Uganda wana-push kuwe na msamaha wa kodi wa miaka mi5!!!
ReplyDeleteYAH:Mtoa maoni hapo juu.sikiliza wewe mtu,hii blig ni ya jamii,na ni chombo cha habari zaidi hli swala ni nyeti haina budi kila mtanzania kuchangaia japo kwa mawazo tu.Hii ndo njia pekee inayoweza kumfikia kila mmoja,bila shaka wew uko majuu na wala huna mpnago na nchi yako wala uchungu.mwachie bro michuzi afanye analojisikia utaki unachukua zako time.simple!
ReplyDeleteKwani Tanzania isipojiunga watakosa nini?
ReplyDeleteMichuzi,
ReplyDeleteI believe this matter should be rest to death as we the Tanzanians have our own right to choose the kind of intergration or friends we like. We cannot held at ransom to fast track the East Africa Community under the name of regional development and forget our own values. It is not true that its only through this intergration that we can change our fortunes. We can rightly decides to explore further corporation with SADCC which has shown future prospect and attracts serious foreign investment than the rest of EA countries. The Kenyan's dreams of better economy and education will cost them dearly if they cannot address their key issues within the country. Our economy is growing at good pace and we cannot forced to impress Kenyans and forget our core political and economic objectives. I should stress that apart from us and Rwanda, other EA countries are less attractive to investment and never offered political stability. Therefore we cannot join the federation where our future role will be to mediate fighting ethnic groups and host refugees. In absence of Kenya, We can always think of better ways to work closely with other members of the EA community. Mungu ibariki Tanzania.
Case Closed.
Muungano wa East Africa utakuwa na maana tu pale wananchi kwa ridhaa zao watakapoamua kufanya hivyo, wananchi watanzania wameulizwa na wameshatoa jibu kwamba kwa sasa "NO". Ni vema majirani zetu wakaelewa hivyo kuwa huu muungano si wa viongozi au wa serikali, ni muungano wa wananchi wa Afrika Mashariki kwani wao ndio walengwa na ambao watafaidika.
ReplyDeleteThe Kenyan big shots wawarudie wananchi wao wawaulize nadhani watapata jibu tofauti na wavyofikiria. Na kuanzia hapo sasa itapatikana formula ya kweli ya muungano wa wananchi wa Afrika Mashariki.
I enjoy reading all the comments, there is nothing I can say that have not been spoken at the moment, I want just to congratulate each and every one of you for showing interest to take part in the matters that affect our country Tanzania. our economy is not very good but their economy also is not thaaaat good for us to join them, infact they want to threnghten their economy via our economy and I believe if we stay away of this nonsense EAC our economy will be far away( we can even provide economic aid to them) from them. Let just work hard and try to solve our problem and join federation that make sense(whether is SADCC or not ) but getting Kenyan or Uganda on board now while there is a series of unresolved problem on their part that clearly shows they are also going to be our problems is a BIG NO
ReplyDeleteJembe
kweli sasa hii story inaboa misupu kama vp ichunie tu,
ReplyDeleteIt is clear that the implications of East African integration are beyond what Kenyans and Ugandan are claiming to be aware of. Tanzania as a nation that has enjoyed peace and unity among its people since independence should not be underestimated, with respect of its neighbors; this might be beyond their comprehension which to me is understandable. As a sovereign country, Tanzania is governed by the people for the people of Tanzania. If its people are not ready for such integration for whatever reason, it must not be forced into it. We all know both the positive and negative impacts of such integration and each East African country has its own challenges within its borders. Tanzanians have every reason to be skeptical with EAC as well as EAF. We should not be fooled with a notion that EAC and EAF are both good for Africa as whole. Let me say one thing, the rule of law in most African countries demands major improvements before we even think of integrating and spreading instability especially when it comes to land ownership. We should not turn East Africa into chaos and killings. After all Kenyans are so disappointed by the Tanzanians decision; why so? If they have not anticipated benefiting heavily from the new EAC and EAF like they did in the original EAC, they should not be writing harsh articles calling Tanzanians all the names they can think of. This explains such eruptive violent behavior beyond my comprehension. No wonder they were able to turn against their own people a few months ago. Suppose they now own peace of Tanzanian land, the peaceful Tanzania will diminish into ashes. Thanks to the Tanzania leader for thinking through before moving ahead with the EAC and EAF.
ReplyDeleteWhoever came with the idea of reviving EAU had a vision for a better African economy but he probably did not think of the negative osmosis effect that can move chaos more freely to the EAC member countries. Why are the Kenyans so furious about the Tanzanians decision anyway? Why do they need piece of Tanzanian land anyway? They say Tanzanians are ignorant, slow and primitive, is that the reason why they need EAC and EAF so they can gain access to Tanzanian treasures? I think developing nations need what other call trade agreements not anything else if all they intend to benefit from each other in trade agreement contracts and treaties. Any other manipulative and sort of coercive integration pave the road for political instabilities.
Again thanks to the people of Tanzania. PLEASE STAY OUT OF TROUBLE WITH KENYANS, RWANDESE, AND UGANDANS. We can be trade partners and that is all we need nothing else. We don’t need your land so why need ours.
Mzalendo
Wewe "Disturbed Kenyan" or whoever you purport to be usitudanganye. Ama ulisomea TZ? That kind of English can only belong in Tanzania, no wonder you are trying hard to qualify that your argument is from the Kenyan perspective. Sisi si mabwege.
ReplyDeleteThey gave as examples of NAFTA, EU, I they don't understand those unions. Both NAFTA and EU there is no tax exemption between the countries, each country it has its own government, each country still has its own land law, each country has its own passport and identy cards, big farmers in all countries do get the same amount of money in terms of subsidies. You know what! Kenya they have assumed by themselves to be supoerpower in East Africa, shame on you. They are still dwelling on old days that Tanzanians are not educated, we have more universities now than any country in East Africa.
ReplyDeletehtutaki muuuungano
ReplyDeleteHi Guys; I just want to comment on a point Tom Mshindi mensioned about the EU initial signatories having not waited until all eligible members were ready before launching the union. But don't you know Mr Mshindi, that there was no body to wait for? They were only 5 of them (member states)at Rome to kick off their cooperation in coal mining & commercialization. As time went by and other countries joined in one by one other aspects of cooperation within the economic framework took shape until it came to be known as the EEC(European Economic Cooperatio)and later EU until this day. It's actually all about economic cooperation among Eu member-states even though ultimate aim is to bring about political federation(United States of Europe, kind of). So far nothing political has really worked so far...When France and Holland, to mension just those 2, rejected the proposed EU constitution by referandum about 3 years ago the matter was shelved pending the agreement of all members, and only God knows how long that will take Yet all in all no threats or offending statements were made by anybody as regards the hesitant or recalcitrant countries. And that's more than 50 years since it began in Rome in 1957. How on earth then do you want to achieve economic and political unity in East Africa within less than 15 years? How can you unite with your neighbours if you cannot bring unity within your own country first. It's really amzing to see how Kenyans have preserved their vain arogance and despising attitudes towards Tanzanians based on their own grossly deceptive self esteem ever since 1970s. Seriously, could any reasonable Kenyan citizen brag about his or her own country which has always been practicing market economy ever since it became independent but which economically is only a few steps ahead of Tanzania which spent over 20 years meandering in socialism? Trully "Nyani haoni kundule."
ReplyDeleteSIPO VIZURI KWENYE INGLISHI LAKINI NAHISI HII KOMENTI IMEKWENDA SANA SHULE.
ReplyDelete"Hi Guys; I just want to comment on a point Tom Mshindi mensioned about the EU initial signatories having not waited until all eligible members were ready before launching the union. But don't you know Mr Mshindi, that there was no body to wait for? They were only 5 of them (member states)at Rome to kick off their cooperation in coal mining & commercialization. As time went by and other countries joined in one by one other aspects of cooperation within the economic framework took shape until it came to be known as the EEC(European Economic Cooperatio)and later EU until this day. It's actually all about economic cooperation among Eu member-states even though ultimate aim is to bring about political federation(United States of Europe, kind of). So far nothing political has really worked so far...When France and Holland, to mension just those 2, rejected the proposed EU constitution by referandum about 3 years ago the matter was shelved pending the agreement of all members, and only God knows how long that will take Yet all in all no threats or offending statements were made by anybody as regards the hesitant or recalcitrant countries. And that's more than 50 years since it began in Rome in 1957. How on earth then do you want to achieve economic and political unity in East Africa within less than 15 years? How can you unite with your neighbours if you cannot bring unity within your own country first. It's really amzing to see how Kenyans have preserved their vain arogance and despising attitudes towards Tanzanians based on their own grossly deceptive self esteem ever since 1970s. Seriously, could any reasonable Kenyan citizen brag about his or her own country which has always been practicing market economy ever since it became independent but which economically is only a few steps ahead of Tanzania which spent over 20 years meandering in socialism? Trully "Nyani haoni kundule.""
Hivi ni kwanini mtu mweusi wa afrika akiongea au kuandika english lazima atumie misamiati ile migumu ili wenzie weusi nao washindwe kumuelewa au vp?manaake hao wenye hio mother-tongue yao wenyewe kina obama,chris rock wakiongea wala hawatumii hio misamiati wanayoitumia wakenya na wabongo wachache huu nauona ni ulimbukeni na sio ujuaji msingi wa lugha ni kuelewana tu na sio mashindano shame on uuuuuuu
ReplyDeletehahahahahaaaaaa u made my day oooo!
ReplyDeletekhaaaaa this is so amazing truly!!pple are so greedy with other pplez wealthy,,,
u know Tanzanians,,just let them be and talk by the way we've entrusted our nation to politicians and those leaders to represent us to ths EAC,,let whoever is talking whether watani wa jadi,wapiganaji-war figthers.
",,,Tz does not inadvance a compelling case why it is setting cold feet so late into the process"
ooooh!!! u want an answer?here its is"because yu want to glab our very core existence of Tanzanians &u seems to take kinguvu(by power)
its really shocking!!!
dont u have anythings in the table?let Tz be as sloooow as snail!!
Informally, Tanzanians will confess their main problem is Kenya’s stronger economy and the aggressive streak of its entrepreneurs. It is very concerned that Kenyan professionals will have an unfair advantage over Tanzanians.
ReplyDeleteKenyan professionals will have advantage over Tanzanians professionals because Kenyans know how to operate in corrupt systems and do illegal activities. Tanzanians want to compete with Kenyans to prove this ideology wrong. Don't make false assumptions about Tanzanian entrepreneurs,professionals,industrialists. They are well educated and have experience doing business abroad. There is no proof that Kenyans are smarter than other nationals simply because they are Kenyans. Be careful with your false assumptions and consequences. I need to know the resume of those professionals that you predict will do better. Your opinions are biased and full of BS.