Official Position
By Phillip Higenyi Kakuru, Kampala
Michuzi,
the article that appeared on your blog titled " kenyans ought to respect Tanzanians" has gotten me thinking about what Tanzanians want in as far as the EA federation is concerned.
The officialposition given by the government says that Tanzanian needs timewhereas the sentiments i read in most of the comments on fromTanzanians is that they don't want the federation, which practicallymeans that the official position of the government of Tanzania is ahoodwink probably meant to waste other countries time.
For how is any sensible goverment going to drag its unwilling citizens into something as sensitive as a federation? My personal opinion is let us Ugandans and Kenyans, Burundi and Rwanda go on while we waitfor Tanzania to think about about it.
The best argument i have ever read about advantages of the EA federation was given by my President Yoweri Museveni when he defended regional intergration as opposed to continental intergration. below are the excerpts
Africa is both the cradle of Man (human kind) and the cradle ofcivilization. Archeology is continuing to confirm that for fivemillion years or more all human beings were Africans and were livingonly in Africa.
According to John Reader's book- "The Biography ofAfrica", it is only since 100,000 years ago that groups of humanbeings started leaving Africa to populate other continents.
For instance, between pages 99 and 102 of this book: he writes as follows:"Several strands of evidence – fossil- genetic and. linguistic - pointpersuasively to the conclusion that every person alive today isdescended from a population of anatomically modern humans that existedonly in Africa until about 10~OOO years ago".
Therefore, when you see Europeans, Asians, Arabs, and such groups, you should know that all those are former Africans. They lost their melanin on account of living in areas with little sunshine. Melanin is for filtering out the harmful sun rays. It is the melanin that gives us our black colour.
Secondly, Africa was the cradle of human civilization. The Egyptian civilization was an African civilization. It started about 3500-3200BC following the fusion of smaller states in both Upper Egypt, aroundAbgdos as well as on the Delta around Memphis (close to present-dayCairo).
This African civilization thrived for about 2000 years untilabout 1025 BC that Egypt started being invaded by outsiders: Seapeoples from the Aegean Sea, the Libyans, the Persians, the Assyrians,the Greeks and, finally, in 30BC, the Romans.Although the Egyptian civilization declined because of the invasionand, of course, some internal weaknesses, its influence endured andwas copied by others - the Greeks, the Romans, the Babylonians, etc.
The Great Pyramids, built 5000 years ago, are the only Wonders of the ancient World still standing. This is not to talk of the literature,the art, the hieroglyphics, the State system, the mythology, thereligion, the Calendar system, weights and measures as well as quite alot of the Science.
However, the emigrants out of Africa multiplied more than thein-Africa population. According to John Reader's book, "The AfricanBiography" on page 254, 100,000 years ago the African population was 1million inhabitants. That is when a few hundred persons left for Asia and Europe.
By AD 200, the African population was 20 million.By 1500 AD, the African population was about 47 million. Yet, theout-of-Africa population had grown to 300 million.
Why did the population in Africa grow slowly? It was because of the tropical diseases and the vectors that spread them: mosquitoes, tsetse flies,etc.Even by 1900, the in-Africa population was 133 Million while that outof Africa was 1,517 Million.
The slow growth of the population of Africa had a negative impact on the evolution of durable centralizedstates. The small kingdoms, chiefdoms or segmentary societies of Africa were all conquered by 1900 except for Ethiopia.
TheColonization was the culmination of the protracted attrition againstAfrica by the foreigners. It had started with the looting ofresources, slave trade. and, eventually, colonization. We were colonized because we were organized in small tribal, clan orsegmentary units.The argument that we were colonized because of lagging behind in technology is not entirely correct.
China and Japan were backward technologically when they confronted the European colonizers.Nevertheless, they managed to preserve their independence theirtechnological backwardness notwithstanding. Therefore, in my opinion,their sub-optimal political organization was the main source of theweakness that caused the ignominious, eventual subjugation of our people.
The colonization of Africa by foreigners was a Vote of noConfidence in the traditional, tribal, clan and segmentary systems.Africans were, however, lucky. In spite of the slave trade, in spiteof the colonization, unlike the Red Indians, the Incas or the Aztecs,we survived extermination. In time, our elders (Kenyatta, Nkrumah,Nyerere, Sekou TouFe, Namdi Azikiwe, and others) regrouped andlaunched the anti-colonial movement.
Along with the anti-Colonial movements in Asia, supported by theSocialist Countries, the African Peoples, eventually, triumphed - weregained our Sovereignty. The first independent African Country wasGhana in 1957. The Imperialists had also rendered us a service withtheir intraimperialists mega conflicts of 1914-1918 and 1939-1945.
The imperialist-on-imperialist conflicts (so-called World wars -meaning intra-imperialist wars) weakened them. This hemorrhage among the imperialist countries contributed to our victory.What is amazing is that 50 years after Ghana's independence and withthe independence of all the African Countries, the causes of theAfrican tragedy that engulfed our Continent since the collapse of theEgyptian Civilization 3000 years ago and the eventual Colonization ofthe whole continent by 1935, have not been addressed.
The major cause of the eventual collapse of all the Africancivilization was political balkanization on too small a scale toguarantee the survival and the sovereignty of the African people.
Who is the guarantor of the freedom and survival of the Black race aswell as other African Peoples? The Western system is underwritten bythe United States of America. It is the USA and the USSR that savedEurope from fascism.
The USA shielded Europe when they were in thecontradiction with Communism. Who is our guarantor? Can Ugandaguarantee the survival and sovereignty of African countries? Can SouthAfrica do it? Can these countries stimulate growth and transformationof our economies and societies? Huge China and India have had to work closely with the big Westerneconomies to achieve the transformation they have.
How can ourindividual countries achieve the transformation they need? How canour individual countries achieve this socio-economic transformation?Fifty years since independence, none of the African Countries achievedthe transformation from the Third World to the First World like theAsian economies have done.
This is regardless of whether these AfricanCountries have been peaceful or violent, multi-party or dictatorship,free market or controlled economy. Only South Africa, currently, has a GDP of US$ 220 billion.This half a Century stagnation is because almost all the Africancountries lack the strategic stimuli that normally cause sustainedgrowth and transformation in economies and society.
Some of these strategic stimuli are: a big market that consumes what entrepreneurs'produce as is the case in China and India: an attractive investmentdestination by the very fact of big population size; rationalized andintegrated resources (natural and infrastructural) unlike many of the African Countries that are land-locked (Chad, Mali, Uganda, Rwanda,Central African Republic, Burkina Faso, Lesotho and Zambia in Africa) or do not have adequate access to the hinterland on top of divided rivers, lakes, mountain ranges, etc; we do not negotiate together when it comes to trade matters with outsiders; and, as already pointed out,the inability to guarantee our independence in decision-making becausewe are not strong enough by ourselves individually, we are notorganized collectively to do so or we do not have one of our own as aguarantor for our freedom.
We were able to fight the White racists and the Portuguese Colonialists with the support of the Russian andChinese Communists. Did any serious African leader imagine that theantagonism between West and East was a permanent phenomenon?
In factcertain hegemonistic interests in the World are always working to achieve a Condominium arrangement with other emerging powers.In any case, why should a people like the Africans, so well endowedhistorically, culturally and natural resources-wise, pin their hopeson outsiders?
Why do the Africans get mesmerized by the strength of others but are always reluctant to build their own power? Are presentgenerations of African leaders going to repeat the mistakes of thepostindependence leaders as well as those of the African chiefs whose myopia, greed and rivalry so enfeebled Africa that it was colonized byoutsiders?
It was on account of the points raised above that the PanAfricanleaders: Nkrumah, Nasser, Nyerere, Kenyatta started talking aboutAfrican integration.
By the time of the Organization of the AfricanUnion (OAU) in 1963, there were three positions among the Africanleaders;- the ones who wanted to form an all African Government led by Nkrumah;- the one who wanted to form regional federations like Nyerere and- the so-called conservatives that wanted to maintain the status quo i.e. maintain the present weaknesses of a politically, strategically balkanized continent.
By now the mistakes of the so-called Conservatives are clear. Africa to-day has been left behind by the Asian countries that are not as endowed as Africa in terms of natural resources.
The small Asian Countries like South Korea, Singapore and others that have transitioned from the Third World to the First World were, for Cold War purposes, linked to the USA market. The degree of access to the USA market could not be compared to the merely symbolic Lome arrangements between Africa and EU.
The conservatives, therefore, by working for the maintenance of thestatus quo were, in effect, working for the present state of perpetualweakness. Some of the countries in Africa that were being held up asmodels by the West have since collapsed. These include Uganda, IvoryCoast, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Congo ORC, etc. In the case of Uganda,we have reconstructed her on the basis of new revolutionaryprinciples.
We hope to deepen and accelerate our achievements throughintegration in the East African region as well as the rest of Africa.Now that the position of the conservatives has been discredited, weremain with the two Pan-African positions: Continental Government nowor regional political federations where possible, in addition tocontinental economic integration as envisaged in the Abuja Treaty .
In Uganda, we are not in favour of forming a Continental Government now on account of a number of reasons. First, while economically I support integration with everybody,politically we should only integrate with people who are either similar or compatible with us.
The whole of Africa has got some obvious incompatibilities when it comes to political integration. InEast Africa we have, for long, talked about a political federation. It is part of our treaty Article 5(2).
In fact, recently, we have beentalking about fast-tracking that federating process in East Africa.Why do we think that East Africa is similar or compatible? It isbecause all the people of East Africa are Bantu, NiloHamitic, Hamitic,Nilotic or Sudanic.
Their languages and dialects fall into two broadcategories: the Nilo-Saharan group of languages and the Niger-Congogroup of languages.In fact East Africa and Congo is where these two groups met manythousands of years ago. Their languages are linked.
Above all, sinceabout 1200 years ago, the People of the East African coast distilled anon-tribal dialect out of the languages of the area - Swahili. Thisdialect is spoken, in different degrees, in the whole of East Africa(Tanzania, Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi), in the whole of EasternCongo, Northern Mozambique, some parts. of Northern Zambia andNorthern Malawi. This is a population of about 150 million people.
East Africa alone has got about 120 million people. These can andshould integrate, not only economically, but politically also. Otherareas of Africa that feel that they have got a comparative degree ofsimilarity or compatibility could also work for political integration.Insisting on political integration at the continental level will bringtogether incompatible linkages that may create tension rather than cohesion.
This will, especially, be so if you bring together groupswhich want to impose their identity on others. I cannot give up myidentity for anything. Even the European slave traders andcolonialists failed to destroy our heritage-languages and way of Ufe.In my language we say ''Ija tuturane niyo ija twangane" – "when you invite somebody different to stay too closely with you/ it tantamounts to invite him to hating each other".
In Uganda, we have a three language policy: Local dialects in their respective areas; Swahili for regional communication; and English for international linkages.Our wish is to continue enriching Swahili drawing from the hinterland dialects.
In decades and centuries to come, the tribal dialects may merge with a much richer Swahili. I do not want this to happen in Africa.Therefore, our recommendation is that we take a functions-based, rational approach.
We ask ourselves the question: "What function can most rationally be done at what level - village, district withinUganda, national, regional or continental?" There are definitelyfunctions that can best be done at the Continental level. I can thinkof the following:. the environment,. Trade negotiations,. Managing a Defence Pact, and later on. Managing and promoting African Common Market.
If the African Commission could concentrate on these four, instead of being everywhere and nowhere, we would start moving forward. We arewasting too much time pushing unresearched positions.Some people have been disparaging OAU. Actually, OAU achieved a lotcompared to the African Union. Precisely, because OAU was realisticand limited itself to what was feasible, i.e. co-ordinating support tothe anti Colonial Liberation Movements in Southern Africa, Sao Tomeand Guinea Bissau, we were able to liberate the whole of Africa inexactly 30 years (majority rule in South Africa in 1994).This was a remarkable achievement. Of Course, theCommunist Countries helped us in that.
The regional powers we buildwherever possible could replace the Communist Countries inunderwriting the freedom and continued forward march of Africa.I salute the enthusiasm of those who advocate for ContinentalGovernment now. I, however, do not want us to move from one mistake -balkanization - to another mistake of oversimplification of very complex situations.
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The article shows PanAfricanism, very well written, in terms of PanAfricanism and political agendas, but you have failed to show us what is really happening in Uganda and how are you going to sort out your problems first before asking us to change our land policy (which was a major issue raised by people against fedaration), for istance your Nyarubanja system where the majority of people do not have access to land. Most of Kampala land is owned by the Kabaka 'the Baganda empire' and even the state house and government office have leased their land from Kabaka. We do want cooperation but not federation as you guys have lots of baggage with you not only land, but other issues as well such as tribalism, the baganda see themselves as superior than other tribes in Uganda and maybe than other people as well. In terms of speaking swahili, yes people of other ethnicity do speak swahili but Baganda, mhu! they look at people who speak swahili with contempt and majority of them do not want to speak swahili claiming that they had bad experience with swahili speaking soldiers of the Iddi Amin. That's strange as well, how can you hate the language because of the few people who were bad and were taken out of your country by other soldiers who speak the same language? I challenge you Mr. Kakuru to write the same article even just a summary of it in KISWAHILI. Its Museven who is forcing Baganda to speak swahili. I do know people who say in contempt they will never speak Swahili.
ReplyDeleteNinajua Uganda inatatizo kubwa la ardhi kwa mfano unaweza kukuta familia nzima inategemea nusu eka ya ardhi kwa maisha yao, NUSU EKA, tena kijijini mbali kabisa na mjini kwa mfano huko Mbale kwa wagishu, mtu ana nusu eka ana wake wawili na ana watoto kumi, hebu niambieni hao watoto kumi wanagawanaje hiyo nusu eka? Na kuna maeneo mengine hata hiyo nusu eka mtu ameazima (he is a tenant and not owner of that land) hiyo ardhi na mwenye ardhi ndiye mwenye mamlaka ya mwisho.
Umefika wakati tuache kudanganyana na siasa kwani hatuwezi kushirikiana na kuungana mpaka tuhusishe masuala ya ardhi na kuhamishia watu kwenye mataifa mengine? Can we just move these sensitive issue out of huo muungano then we move on! Kwanini you guys mnanga'ng'ania ishu ya fedaration? Kama sio ishu ya land please move ahead, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi and Kenya, you can add South Sudan as well as Somalia. We wish you all the best!
Dada Ima
Hii article ni upuuzi mtupu. The article is long and vague and has no direction. Sisi tunachotaka ni kuorodheshewa faida za muungano kwa Tanzania, ziorodheshwe 1,2,3.... n.k. We want a list of precise explanations on what Tanzania is going to benefit from the federation, period.
ReplyDeleteJamu humuani.....umezunguka zunguka tu humu.....mxiiiiii
ReplyDeleteThe guy is very smart, he spent a lot of time talk about nothing. He talked about history and conspirancy theories, but he never talked about the real deal which is MUSEVENI.
ReplyDeleteLet me tell mr Kakuru why Tanzanian don't want to hear about EAC, the reason is MUSEVENI. We don't trust him, we don't like him, when i personal look at his eyes i read this "DICTATOR"
Tell me Mr. kakuru, where are we going to put dictator Museveni? The guy is like Mugabe for haven sake.
Please save that history for the future, bring some strong argument and not long article with full of nothing.
If you think the integration will help Tanzania economicaly then throw some facts. We need more studies about this EAC nonsense, our differences are too complex and EAC won't help it.
I am getting sick and tired to hear historian preaching about how EAC will be a good deal. Please throw some facts from A to Z. Tell us how EAC will increase Tanzania GDP, tell us how it will lower the unemployment rate, tell us how this EAC will decrease inflation.Tell us how will EAC boost Tanzanian living standard, Don't come in here and throw some nonsense historical background.
You talked about Tiger countries, are they unionize? The notion of because everybody is doing then we can do it too is total stupid.
Here is few problems we need to focus before even think about EAC.
-Museveni and democracy
-Kenyan tribalism and fake capitalism.
-Rwanda & congo rebel.
-HIV/AIDS
-Land problem in Kenya and Uganda
I can go on and on mention problem after problem which EAC won't solve it.
So speare your time instead dumping crazy staff in here.
Mchumi wa Texas
Now that is the what I call the voice of reason in East Africa. It has spoken. Let it be heard.
ReplyDeleteI support your views fully dear Ugandans. Let the Tanzanian leadership under the able and beloved President Jakaya Mrisho Kikwete OFFICIALLY withdraw its membership from the EAC in line with the popular wish of its citizens.
The rest of us Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi and Kenya will move on and when our in-laws in TZ are ready, the door is always open. Even if they dont join us, they will still be respected and we will trade with them because a brother is a brother even in times of differences.
You now see openly that this is not a Kenyan vs Tanzanian discourse. No. It is a regional issue. This particular quote from Mr Kakuru's eloquent article attests Uganda and Kenyans such as Warigi, Mshindi an myself are actually on the same page when it comes to what TZ needs to do as a SIGN of respect to the rest of EAC.
I quote:
"The officialposition given by the government says that Tanzanian needs timewhereas the sentiments i read in most of the comments on fromTanzanians is that they don't want the federation, which practicallymeans that the official position of the government of Tanzania is ahoodwink probably meant to waste other countries time.
For how is any sensible goverment going to drag its unwilling citizens into something as sensitive as a federation? My personal opinion is let us Ugandans and Kenyans, Burundi and Rwanda go on while we waitfor Tanzania to think about about it."
End of quote.
Paulo Kamau
A Kenyan and East African patriot.
i've only read the first para or two, think it ol bull. The only thing that made was " Let the Ugandans and Kenyans, Burundi and Rwanda go on while we wait for Tanzania to think about about it".
ReplyDeleteLet them go on with this, let them wait....wait for a looooong time!
This article of Kakuru is very shallow, many spelling mistakes, repitition of words, not straight to the point, lot of ambiguity and ... and... and... unresearched data
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You guys what do you want with Tanzania? .. we are poor, many not educated, dirty country and so and so and so .......!!!!
So why do you want to join us ???????
Dont you have anything to do than wanting us to bend on your needs ????
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I am very sick and tired of these noices ... Please Please Please Please leave our country alone
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Have confidence with your country and go ahead with your union a.k.a federation without us
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Enough is Enough
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Michuzi Please Please Please kindly call this discussion off ... and kindly do not post any issue(I beg you) related to EAC .... Most of us Tanzanians dont need it
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They just playing with words just to contradict us
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When our president said we need time he meant he wanted the issue to go back to the Citizens of Tanzania for extensive discussion and as it look now most of us Tanzanians dont see any advantage of being part of the union rather than binding ourselves to people with hidden agendas
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Tumechokaaaaaaaaa
Mungu tunakuomba uibariki nchi yetu Tanzania na Africa kwa ujumla, .... Mungu baba tunakuomba utuokoe na watu hawa
AMEN
Mdau Kakuru,
ReplyDeleteThak you for your lesson in history and Pan africanism, but your article does not address the main issues at hand. You started by eyeing the article and posts that are written here regarding the EA federation, but I don't think you have read what started it all: The Article by one Gitau Warigi of Daily Nation. It's the insults and the perpetual foolishness of that man that has led to all the people here venting their anger and frustration at what is seen by our neighbours to be happening in Tz. Go through everything and get a gist of it all, then come back please!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kwa taarifa yako Kakuru I didnt even read it half way nikagundua umejawa na kajivuno ya kipuuzi sana. Huku Tanzania tunasema upuuuuziii mtupuu hamna kitu. Kakojoe ulale mtoto mzuri.
ReplyDeleteNobody in Tanzania, and i stand to be corrected, hate or dont like to be part of the EA federation. The main problem impeding this federation to happen, on a Tanzanian standpoint, is the land issue among others.
ReplyDeleteNow Mr. Kaguru, can you address these issues instead of feeding us with all these historical aspects of how good a regional integration can be?
We all know the importance of integration, but no federation will ever be successful if the needs of individual countries involved have not been detailed and addressed accordingly...unfortunately this has not happened so far with EA.
Tanzania will not be forced to join any federation if her needs are not being considered, hence Mr.Kakuru et al., you can go ahead and form your federation (with Kenya, Burundi and Rwanda)and we will be happy with our SADC.
Tanzania oyee!!
Naungana na wadau wote wanaopinga hiyo Federation ambayo hawa watani wa jadi wanatukomalia. Juzi juzi tu nilikuwa Kampala mkutanoni. Nilikuwa na watu ambao baada ya kuwaeleza natoka TZ na kuwasalimia Kiswahili walinikata maini kwa kuniambia hawataki kamwe kusikia hiyo lugha kwani inawatia kichefu chefu! Nikawauliza kulikoni? Ati askari wa Idd Amin waliwanyanyasa na Kiswahili. Nikawauliza mbona mzungu aliwatawala kwa viboko na bado mnakumbatia lugha yake? Wana inferiority complex na hicho kiingereza chao cha kupaka! Wote hao wana njaa ya ardhi na si vinginevyo! Kwani Cooperation haitoshi! Kwa nini mnang'ang'ania NDOA na Bw au Bibi asiyewataka???!! KULIKONI?? Toeni kwanza boriti kwenye macho yenu...
ReplyDeleteINAELEKEA HAWA WAMEGUNDUA ELIMU YETU WATANZANIA ILIVYOMBOVU KUTOKANA NA MIKATABA TULIYOIINGIA HIVYO WANAONA KUWA TUKIUNGANA BASI WATAFAIDIKA WAKATI SISI TUTAFAIDIKA NA MASHINDANO YA ULIMBWENDE, BONGO FLAVA,BBA NA POOL. TUSIKUBALI WACHA TUENDELEE KUISHI KWA KUBANGAIZA NA MADINI YETU KHERI WAENDELEE KUCHUKUA WAZUNGU.
ReplyDeleteMichuzi,
ReplyDeleteThe story is, Kenyatta family owns a decent chunk off Kikuyu land. Kikuyu people have been forced to migrate to other tribes’ land to live.
The trouble is Kikuyu people have no skills to live with anyone else take nothing from their business prowess.
The last election did not come as a surprise to anyone who has been following Kenya’s politics. Literally the election came in and exposed the big man naked.
You don’t need to be a Nyerere or a Obama for that matter to wonder what the next election will bring to Kenya. Unless if you happened to own a hotel in Arusha or selling guns in Mogadishu (Demand and supply principles here)
However if they played their cards right probably they could have been fooled.
Credit to JK .
Furthermore the unity between Kikuyus and Nyarwandas is an interesting one, (Museveni will be the first one to tell you this) and you can bet we will be watching it with much interest.
The federation is such a good idea if all involved are committed to it.
Shame as there is no much evidence of this in EAC.
Good luck our brothers and sisters. We have so much in common and with or without federation I am confident we will still be doing business for the good of our people.
Tanzania nakupenda kwa moyo wote !
Kaakufui J
This is a restrained response to an article on Tanzanias stand on East Africa as written and posted by one Mr. Gitau Warigi. Mr Warigis article is also reflected by Mr Kakurus comments on this blog.I have some comments for both.I am a reader of many East African dailies; I was however amazed by your article as put forward in Web page of Jamii forums on the 29th Nov 2008, hence prompting me to write.
ReplyDeleteI for one, as many Tanzanians do, am very keen on what going on around me. If you have any balls, or if you are a “dume la mbegu” as we put it in Swahili, please print this article in your paper and for good measure.
So let me air my reaction on the sad and despicable views that have been aired by one Mr.Gitau Warigi, a self appointed Tanzania analyst of the Kenyan Daily Nation newspaper as published recently concerning Tanzania’s stand on the EAC issue.
No right minded Tanzanian would have even raised an eyebrow had it not been for the derogatory manner that the views were presented and the “knoweth that thou” attitude shown by this out of know where character, Mr Gitau Warigi.
Such people, indeed, will not escape scrutiny from right thinking Tanzanians who have a broader mind than the narrow and often parochial view as advanced by this Mbugua fellow.
It is common for one to shoot himself in the foot , but in the mouth? That is interesting to note about this Warigi fellow, bad mouthing and frothing while he is at it.
One wonders how he, most of all a Kenyan, dare pass political and economical prescription that he is least qualified on Tanzanian issues and at most uncalled for.
Whom is he fronting? Is it the ordinary Kenyan on the streets or the sociopolitical status quo that holds the cards in Kenya.
Well, he has failed miserably in all the arguments that had an intention of cajoling and chiding Tanzania into accepting some of the salient features especially land and citizenship within the EAC federation issue.
At best he is polishing a rotting apple while going through the motions of neighbour bashing. One wonders what the end game, according to him, is supposed to be.
When Kenya pulled a fast one on the EAC break away in 1977 we learned our lesson of what a nyang’au is capable of doing, and shamelessly.
NEVER trust a Kenyan advice be it a politician or otherwise.
To put it bluntly a Kenyan is self centered, narrow minded, thinks that money is all that it takes, and above all is inhumane and never patriotic-even to his own country!
Given the landless multitudes culminating into the formation of the Kiberas, Mathares and all, one would wonder what the heck this Mbugua guy is talking about.
So Tanzania is economically backward eh?
Its leader’s globe trotting eh?
Tanzania’s economy, a fraction of that of Kenya, can only be saved by the EAC eh?
That Kenyans are experts in their own fields and can teach Tanzanians a trick or two eh?
Tanzanians view Kenyans in awe eh?
What bull shit!
Kenya has no room to grow, and everybody knows that. The socioecomic set up in the country has ensured them to that stagnation.
When a Kenyan slashes a fellow Kenyan because he/she is of another ethic tribe, then the trading paths are more than set. One who slashes his brother with a machete today will not happily sell this man a Lifebuoy piece of soap the next day.
So where do you sell it then –East Africa of course! That is the Kenyan economic gospel rewritten by econovangelists of the Warigi sort.
Lo and behold this is not to happen with our eyes closed, every nitty gritty on the East African Treaty issue has to be discussed and agreed upon painstakingly.
Boisterous behavior never helped anybody.
Through this erratic guy called Mr. Gitau Warigi, Kenyans are showing off for what they are worth-the latter day nyang’aus-they will stop at nothing than rob, kill and plunder.
We really thank the Tanzanian Police for putting the crude Kenyan thugs in check earlier in the year. They were trying to get into the country through the back door, now they are trying the locks of the front door-the political door.
Now this Gitau Warigi fellow exemplifies the employed middle class Kenyan whose only command is English and nothing else to show, not even the common sense that abounds in man. He probably is parroting what is commonly discussed and schemed in the sociopolitical status quo in Kenya today.
No wonder he naturally thinks he know what is best for Tanzania not knowing that the facts speak otherwise.
Tanzania is growing at a rate of over 7% per annum, a rate which is promising by all means .Our aim in development is not to beat Kenya radher to make life easier in all aspects for every Tanzanian given the challenges before us.
The last General Elections in Kenya depicted just how socially fragmented Kenyans are, while in Tanzania things are quite different, one has to be a zombie to campaign on tribal grounds.
There are also many pointers to show that Tanzania is in business-real business, and has the confidence to attain it. Natural resources are in abundance and ready to be utilized.
Above all Tanzania knows its position of advantage in East Africa.
With a border stretching for thousands of kilometers touching eight countries, no wonder we are at the cross roads of East African development. This position must be discussed at our terms of advantage and not otherwise. Kenya must not forget that, as to our position centrally located position, we call the shots.
In their haste to break up the EAC in 1977 you fore bearers probably did not quite understand the meaning of geopolitical advantages. Today Russia is doing the same for oil passing through its land, and the west, well can only watch in silence.
Dreaming of economic success by coercing one into a one sided treaty is basically political con man ship. This Warigi guy like many other Kenyans have dreams of their own, greener land and owning more land.
The only problem is, the Kenyan industrialist, the business man and the politician also have the same ideas-expansion.
The whole scenario will lead into a chaos across borders that will be painful to extinguish.
So, Mr. Warigi and your allies stop self aggrandizement and getting self indulged moral highs and satisfactions through what you erroneously think is best for the rest of us, we have our heads screwed on right.
One who thinks he knows best for others must try to see his own pitfalls. The Warigi fellow is like a chap who has covered his frontal secrets while leaving his rusted behind bare for all to see. Unfortunately he is quite happy about it despite the snigger, sneer and outright laughter going on around him.
Kenya has its own share of problems that, though I sympathize with, one can only look on and wish them the best. You don’t go marrying into a rich English speaking family but that is known to have a hereditary cancerous tuberculosis trait or some serious disease!
That is how we see Kenya.
I for one have skipped going to Kenya whenever I had the chance-those TV images of people being mercilessly slashed to death are blood chilling. The inherent chronic socioeconomic problems still do exist in Kenya, lying just below the surface. They only need a spark to ignite them, and I’d rather not be there when this happens.
And come to think of it, has Mbugua ever interviewed President Kibaki why he is holding onto power despite losing the election?
Mr. Warigi, President Kibaki lives in the same city as you do, you might probably be fair to your self to ask him why he is in power despite losing the General Election earlier in the year. Whom is he representing really!-the Kikuyu?
Tanzania can only form a firm union with another united country, not the Kikuyu tribe.
We have learnt our mistakes in Tanganyika and Zanzibar Union issue.
This blatant self centered spirit will not make EAC.
I don’t have to speak on Uganda and Rwanda the situation in these countries speak for themselves-with dis enfranchised armies of renegades in their own countries creating havoc at home and abroad.
Not to say the least, Tanzania is surrounded by half cooked to hardcore dictators.
These are the guys that one would like to call neighbours, what a neighbourhood!
Kenya must realize that there must be a code of political ethics that must be adhered to by all leaders in East Africa before we indulge into anything serious.
That poor man who was slashed to death before the eyes of the whole world on TV is not enjoying the so called Kenyan economic dream. And many more have not, and will not by design, enjoy any social or economic benefits that the famous “Uhuru” cry was supposed to bring.
We must, however be fair to Kenya; it has probably the most developed economy in East Africa, just as the Warigi fellow bragged. Much thanks to the defunct British Empire. But is that a big deal?
For all one cares they can have their economic cake and they might as well eat it! We will take no offence really.
When Mbugua touched on the land issue and indeed a burning issue in this discussion, he touched a raw nerve.
Whoever sent him to make the statement, unguided, is either dumb or an outright idiot. One wonders whether Mr. Gateau Warigi has a pinch of brain in between his ears to make sweeping statements and analogies on the Tanzania economic context.
Kenya has hardly solved their own century old land problem, now they want to export it!
Land will remain a property of Tanzanians, to explore and utilize as a resource. The little land that Kenya has has been mismanaged to an extent of creating local apartheids within Kenya.
Of course the land ownership system in Tanzania has some disadvantages to its people. The land is owned by the State, grease the right hands and all is yours. It will be naïve to pretend otherwise; on the land issue we must take reality into account.
No wonder the nyang’aus are breathing hard on our doorsteps.
In Kenya the land, the whole of it, has been parceled into chunks, bits and pieces for the rich, influential and powerful, leaving out the ordinary wananchi to eat the dust and grime in the slums.
On the political front Warigis naivety is bare for all to see. There can be no comparison between our JK and other EA leaders and how they ascended into the top executive office.
His attack on our own JK was most stupid, we chose that fellow to be president and he was in his right senses to refuse advances from Kenya on some of the issues in the EAC treaty.
And mark you I call him a fellow because JK is a down to earth man, humility at its best, and we ordinary Tanzanians like him, that’s why we chose him in the first place.
When JK put the EAC to referendum in Tanzania he tactically scored a far reaching goal that simple minded persons of Warigis character did not fore see.
Tanzanians did not only refuse the EAC Treaty as it was but also sounded the warning that hands off on discussion on our land.
In the meantime Ugandas President Yoweri Kaguta Museveni was making a presentation lap across East Africa in the hope of becoming the first East African president-what cheap politics!
Kenyans are better advised that half cooked nitwits of Mbuguas caliber do not spoil its good name across East Africa, Tanzania in particular.
It is only those stupid characters that take Tanzanians humility for granted-and to their peril.
Mr. Gitau Warigi remembers that Kenyan gangster crime wave about a year ago terrorizing the north of Tanzania and even Dar es salaam? Well after some quick thinking somebody decided to call the bluff.
An infiltrated gang was quickly and efficiently eliminated, gangster style. And with apologies, Tanzanian style, the bodies returned to their next of kin!
People don’t learn or remember,Mbugua will be enlightened with a refreshened memory of an episode of a similar nature which occurred some three to four years ago. A Ugandan gangster outfit gunned down three policemen who where in hot pursuit. Thats when all hell broke lose, two of the gangsters were meted with some of their own medicine in Dar es salaam while the rest finding it too hot in Dar dashed across the country to the nearest Ugandan border, over 1700 kilometers away. They were cornered in Dodoma and unfortunately summarily dealt with as they forcibly tried to resist a lawful arrest.
That’s how humane Tanzanians can be, when provoked. So watch out.
Idi Amin made the same stupid mistake. He died miserably and was buried uncelebrated in a foreign land, his only mistake was underestimating the resolve, determination and above all the humility of ordinary Tanzanians.
As to the question of the Union of East African countries I do not see this happening in the foreseeable future with Mbuguas state of mind reigning in Kenya’s political leadership.
If Kenya has that thirty year itch for a union that they broke in 1977 they should try their northern brothers, the Somalis, at least they have something in common, with wilder nomadic dreams and all.
Tanzanians will be more than pleased to see how Kenya fares with Uganda and Rwanda and Burundi. In actual fact we wish you no ill feeling and you are blessed to go it alone. And you, Mr.Gitau Warigi , that knoweth all, will definitely get what is in store for Kenya and your likes down the mists of time.
Better still, please Mr. Warigi try convincing your sociopolitical cohorts into soliciting Mr. Obamas audience- to try make Kenya a 53rd state of America.The only problem is Obama is a Luo and Mbuguas cronies are all Kikuyu. Furthermore, it is on record, a Government of Kenya spokes person telling off Obama when he advised them on good governance and corruption when the young and youthful chap was still a Senator of Illinois. Now they love him (Obama) to the extent of the Government of Kenya declaring a two day public holiday to celebrate the occasion when he won the Presidential election in the US.
What hypocrisy, do you think Obama has forgotten?
The same short sightedness, we have not forgotten 1977.
By LG
Dar Es Salaam
Mr from Uganda, hiyo argument yako ya melanin ingekuwa kweli waarabu si wangekua pitch black?
ReplyDeleteKakuru have a long article like a chain hamna mpya. Hebu acha ku copy na ku paste
ReplyDeletesema unachotaka we shemeji yake michuzi usilete long long ya kuandika mambo mengi sana . Hapa No BIG HAPANA CHUKUA TIME ACHA KUTUYEYUSHA NA TUNA WATAKIA KILARAHERIIIIIIIIIII YA HUO MUUNGANO CHAOOOOOOO LONG LIFE
ReplyDeleteBrother Kakuru,
ReplyDeleteDo it simple and no more 'PanAfricanism or anthropogeography language' please, show us the cost versus benefit analysis of the East Africa Federation, with and without Tanzania joining in.
Mdau
Arusha, Tanzania.
Huyu Mganda hajongea chochote kile, ni pumba tupu, Hakuna ushawishi wowote wa kutufanya sisi tuwe kwenye shirikisho.
ReplyDeleteJoseph Mwaikambo
Snr Ericsson Engineer
Ericsson Uganda
Matinyi, tunaomba analysis ya kulinganisha Tanzania na Uganda tuburudike.
ReplyDeleteMdau, California.
huyu jamaa aliye andika hii article ni mfano tosha wa wapuuzi ambao hatutaki kuungana nao.what the hell is this?
ReplyDeletehuyu jamaa anazungumza nini kwanza? maana nimejaribu kusoma hii kitu yake hata sijamwelewa, inaelekea hata yeye hajui ni waganda wanataka au watafaidikaje na muungano huo anaoupgia debe. HIVI HAWA JAMAA LAZIMA WAFANYE HIYO NDIYO NA SISI? SI WAUNGANE WENYEWE KAMA WANADHANI WATAFAIDIKA, NAONA WANATUPIGA MIKWARA UCHWARA. WATUACHE WATORO WA MWALIMU. HATUTATAKI TUNASEMA HATUATAKI, KWANI NI SEHEMU GANI YA MANENO 'HATUTAKI' HAWAILEWI?
ReplyDelete1. Very strange. But they love English even though the British had, as a form of torcher, the squashing of black men's balls during the resistance of their colonial rule in East Africa!!!!!
ReplyDelete2. It is very clear that our neighbours are just desperate for land Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi. What is it that is so attractive and tangible that they have is attractive enough ion exchange. The Tanzanian mood seems to be they have nothing really to offer that is worth exchanging. So what is the big deal? We don't think they can offer us much so no deal. That's normal in business it does not justify hostility or anti-Tanzanian vitriol.So why not continue trading as and realtions as they currently are? So they want to boycott Tz just because they made us an offer we are not impressed by? That's blackmail!
3. It is easy to list what the neighbours (land, natural resources, market) would gain by further integration but not what Tanzania would gain.Tanzania already has land natural and natural resources it does not need Kenya for this.
4. Is this argument by Museveni just become true or was it always true? So does this Kenyan condemn the former leaders of Kenya such as Njonjo for the break up of the EAC in the 70s or is he just condemnong tanzanians now?? The Tanzanian mood is clearly influenced by past experience of the community. It is just arrogant and crap for the Kenyans to break the community when they feel like it and then suddenly when they feel they want it again try nd brow beat everyone into its reconstitution and at a break neck speed of their convenience. It won't happen guys!!!!!!
Huyu Mganda hana mpya, put on the table bwana ze benefit Tanzsania itapat sio theory tupu, zamani mkiandika au kusema kizungu kama hiki tunawaona nyie wasomi sasa hivi tumewashitukia hamna kitu, si kenya wala uganda hamna cha elimu kubwa wala nini, weka facts peope bwana!!!!
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Is the writer a testimony, a true testimony of the Ugandan brain that we are supposed to benefit of in federation. God forbid! We allow Uganda and all those States he has listed to move forward with their federation. Ukikaa na "waridi" huwachi "kunukia" au tuseme Ukikaribia mavi hukosi kunuka?
ReplyDeleteDa! Nimecheka sana baada ya kusoma comments za Wabongo. Yaani nimecheke mpaka nikaa uvunguni mwa meza ofisini ili nisipunguzwe kazi, unajua tena jamaa huku noma.
ReplyDeleteWabongo tuna akili sana ila basi tu. Mobhare unaweza kulijibu hili jamaa la Kiganda?
This is an absolute nonsense. full of demagogy and ignorance. EA union have and will not have any benefit to Tanzanians.The organization will be marred with corruption,embelzement,bias and real poverty.Where will the union get funds from? A poor union of poor countries LOL! union to depend on AIDS forget it.
ReplyDeleteBONGO oye!
Malisa BG
You guys from Uganda and Kenya, you need to describe all the benefits. Then when there is a balance we can agree and strike a deal.
ReplyDeleteMost of you guys are very arrogant and thuts why you think you can force Tanzanians.
After reading the entire article written by one Kakuru, I come to a conclusion that this people are now of more baseless and "air theory" minds than I knew. When I was young I always thought Kenyans and Ugandans were so much bright and so much smart in English and Math’s. I was wrong. For what Warigis' Mshindis' Kamau and now Kakuru are keep writing I have come to know that “they do no nothing”.
ReplyDeleteIt’s all "cowboy hat and no meat" haa! This people who are calling themselves the master of English are now proving the masters of utopia. The only country they can go is Rwanda and Burundi were they will be needed. Because Rwandese and Burundi are speaking French and are the one who wants an English speaker IT persons like Kakuru to go work in their countries. I am sure they are opening their borders for Kenyans and Ugandans for a period of five years to enact their English ambitions and be the masters of all three languages. French which they master, Swahili which they have improved lately and English which they have opened doors.
With East Africa Federation I will say keep moving yourself you Kenyans. At first you did not want Rwanda and Burundi to join, citing that you are not having borders with them, until a request from Tanzania which said we have to join with them because they have been Tanganyika territory early years before Britons draw their new EA border mark.
Hey!! For hell with EAF if this people were thinking we were still asleep. Tanzania of today is not the one of the past. A lot of its youth are now abroad doing their things and do not need to be mastered by hooligans from Kenya or Uganda, people of the same like or as Kamau, warigi and Kakuru. If you are the one benefiting why do you need us. Just keep moving with Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi. Now you are making me suspicious that you all know that without Tanzania you can’t move with EAF . Haa! We have known “janja yenu ya nyani, mtalia sana na kundule”
Hey some of you who are now working in Tanzania have enjoyed the freedom, the peace, the ukarimu and the free land- that you want others also from your countries to flock in Tanzania and control our land. Hell no we can’t allow that. I know some of you have learned its very very easy if you are a Kenyan or Ugandan and working in Tanzania you can go just drive to Kisarawe, Chamazi, Mpiji,Gezaulole, Morogoro, Arusha and Moshi areas to name and buy a piece of land(Kihamba) from local TZ’s and start cultivating, without even anybody asking you who you are and were you are coming from. You have been driving from Nairobi via Arusha to Dar and you have passed all free uncultivated land in Tanzania and think it is easy to take and now you want to enact the laws to have it all by your side under an umbrella of EAST AFRICAN Federation. We are doing alright with what we have now and we can’t sign to be fully fledged as EA federation with you dubious and ambition “theft of the early morning, you morons and cowards”
KAKA MICHUZI TUMEZUNGUMZA SAAANA KUHUSU EAC UNIONI NILICHOKUA NAOMBA UFANYE NAOMBA UWEZE KUJUA KAMA VIONGOZI HUSIKA NA HUO MZOZO MZIMA KAMA WANAPATA ACCESS YA KUSOMA HAYA MAJADILIANO KUTOKA KWENYE HII WEB YAKO I MEAN KAMA UJUMBE UTAKUA UMEWAFIKIA ILI WAWEZE KUTUPA WATANZANIA KITU TUNACHO TAKA SABABU KAMA WATASOMA MAWAZO YA WATU WOTE HAO WALIO TOA MAONI WHICH I BELIEVE SIO IDIOT PEOPLE WATU WAMEPOTEZA MUDA KUTAFUTA HATA HISTORY NYINGINE ZA EAS COMMUNITY ILE YA KWANZA NA HISTORIA NYINGINE NYINGI ZA HIZI NCHI ZETU SIO KWAMBA WATU WALIZALIWA NA HIZO INFIRMATION ILA WAMEJITOLEA MUDA WAO KU RESEARCH ALL THOSE INFORMATION SO PLSE..PLSE.. LET HAO VIONGOZI HUSIKA WAJUE MAWAZO YA WATANZANIA NINI WANATAKA HAYA YASIJE ISHIA KWA MICHUZI WEB TU ILI HAO JAMAA WAHUSIKA WAWEZE ENDELEA NA HUO MUUNGANO WAO KWA SISI HATUAFIKIANI NAO MUUNGANO WAO
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THANX
Ukipima akili za Wakenya na Waganda halafu na vijana wetu walioshuka kwenye blogg hapa, unapata jibu rahisi kabisa: Watanzania tuko fiti, wala hamna ubishi. These guys can't make a point, Wakenya ni kutukana, Waganda wanazunguka tu. Kiboko yao wapo hapa Bongo. Tona wanatoka kwenye makabila ambayo yako kwao huko huko, yule bwana mdogo mwingine ni Mjaluo na Matinyi ni Mura! Tunaomba Mmasai mmoja awajibu hawa ili listi ikamilike.
ReplyDeletehaha,my God what hell is this?
ReplyDeleteanother thing tanzanians are not willing to get into federation in fear of MuSEVENI.We are TANZANIANS,we strong and united.chokoza uone nyuki ndugu!
lakin Kenya na Uganda et RUANDA NA BURUNDI.nini tunachoweza kukipata kuotka hapa?siongei just kupiga domo,tuangalie hali zao za kisiasa,kiuchumi,na resources walizonazo.Tanzania tumeshtuka juzi tu,tunakila kitu zaidi ya hao wote so what extra do we need.nathani tutakaribisha matatizo tu.waendelee na hio EU sisi niwatazamaji.nakuambia tutakuwa mbali zaidi yao!hatuuwitaji hiyo federation.
ReplyDeleteThe all article is bull shit! nothing is in there, he just wanted to show us he knows English, it bores to read, we need direct facts to federation not past history, we know them more than you The issue isd LAND, ID, PASSPORT, AND LABOUR MOVEMENT. We want movement of people in all direction not towards Tanzania alone as it is now. Remove those issues we don't like then we can talk babe.
ReplyDeleteNot only do Kenyans worship the English language despite having their balls crunched during the mau mau war they have not sorted the land question since colonial times. Land appropriated and settled on by whites by dispalcing Kikuyus and Masais is still in dispute. Guess what their solution is to this problem? Off load that landless population on to Tanzania!!! They can't sort out their land problem so they covet Tanzania. Jamani muwe macho.Hata hili shirikisho mkiona wakubwa wanasema watawasaidia waswahili kuliendeleza ni ili kupunguza pressure ya walionyangwa ardhi huko Kenya ili masetla wasibugudhiwe. Some hard hitting questions to the Kenyans: are you happy about the way land has been distributed in your country since colonial times? If you are not what are you doing about it? Why do you not want to sort out your land problems first and then perhaps move to integtration. Mnawaogopa wazungu au mnaogopana na mnadhani Tanzania will be a soft touch, siyo? Hakuna!!!! We do not want to be a solution to land injustice in Kenya!!
ReplyDeleteHORRIBLE!!!THE ARTICLE IS NOT STRAIGHTFORWARD,IT JUST TELL A HISTORY WHICH WE DON'T NEED.WE TANZANIANS WE ARE HAPPY BEING BY OURSELVES,IF UGANDA,KENYA,RWANDA AND BURUNDI WANTS TO FORM FEDERATION,LET THEM GO AHEAD AND DO IT.I DON'T BELIEVE EVER IF THIS WILL BE BENEFICIALLY TO OUR COUNTRY BASED ON THE HISTORY OF THE COUNTRIES WHICH WE SUPPOSED TO FORM FEDERATION WITH.HONESTLY, THERE IS NOT FUTURE ON THIS FEDERATION...LET NOT FORGET THE PAST.
ReplyDeleteThis article is FULL OF GARBAGE, i wish this guy had spent his time to do some productive things rather than dropping shits...
ReplyDeleteHow can a person from a failing state with failing democracy give a direction to the beloved Tanzania?
Go and drop ur shits somewhere not here babe
Am out!!
Forget the Politics,I go to a University with lots of Ugandans & Kenyans in Cape Town but these people are very arrogant,self centred and they are full of pride.To them,Tanzania is the least developed of all the countries in East Africa,they think of us as dummies,poor with no future at all.I personally can stand Ugandans,Burundians and Rwandas but not Kenyans...Kenyans are so arrogant and they think they have got it all.To their point of view it is Kenya that is the economic power house of East Africa.
ReplyDeleteOne thing we've got to admit is Kenyans are really smart.They look for opportunities and try to take advantages out of those opportunities.It's so obvious that Kenyans are now insisting for this federation because they have already figured out the advantages that they will acquire out of EAC.
They want to sit on top of every state within East Africa.One thing a leader should never do is putting the future and the peace of his nation into the hands of another state.This is jeopardising a state's future and peace and breaking the "social contract" that was well defined & explained by Locke.
It is all up to us and our leaders to know exactly where we stand right now & where are we going to stand within that federation.We need to weigh out the pro & cons of this federation.The whole thing should benefit us and not suppress us as a nation.We need to foresee our future within this federation.Let no country push us into entering into a federation against our will,we are a sovereign state let us make our own decision as a free state.
If there is any country so desperate for this federation,let them go ahead....it is so obvious that there is a reason behind for Kenyans & Ugandans to be so desperate for this federation.
Mzalendo,
University of Cape Town.
I think the best option for Tanzania is to let Uganda, Kenya, Rwanda and Burundi go for EAC and let us remain the way we are. Norway for example is the richest, I think in the world but it not even in EU. Norway is now talking of being able to support her people for more than 100 years even if her people decide not to work at all. We have natural resources and we have started to educate our people. In five years we shall have a very big army of educated young people. What we have not yet done is to remove all corrupt leaders. If we could remove Lowasa, Chenge, Karamagi and others, yes we can also remove the remaining few.
ReplyDeleteLet me tell you the following;
It is a time for Tanzanians to rest. In Uganda, a lot of people die of ethnic clashes everyday. Some media say the average number of people who loose their lives in Northern Uganda everyday exceeds even that of Iraq. If the Ugandan government has totally failed to take care of Joseph Konyi, what does it need in Tanzania?
Rwanda; this is a country whose people want to rule the whole of Africa. I want to let you know that the problems we see in DRC have roots in Rwanda because Tutsi want to rule the whole of Africa. They think their blood is precious than any others blood.
Lastly, UMOJA NI NGUVU UTENGANO NI UDHAIFU. I totally agree with this. But you can be one if you are pulling together. There is no way we can pull together with Kenyans and Rwandese and Ugandans. While others are so much concerned in wars and tribalism we are concerned with economic development. Besides, how can we pull together with people we do not share the same history.
wizi mtupu nasema wizi mtupuu by JULIUS K NYERERE
ReplyDeleteBwana Michuzi unafanya vizuri sana unapopost comments za watu kwenye hii blog lako ili tuweze kusikia na kusoma coment za kipuuzi za akina Kiguru ambao badala ya kutoa hew safi wanachafua hewa. Potelea Mmbali zote ni hewa tu. Mr Kakuru (Kiguru) You want us to be like what you are doing in Kongo. You have dried with you Nduli Amini and now you want us in deplomatics way Ehee!. Sisi hatuwezekana kwa lolote brother. Kwa silha za kijeshi tupo na hata siasa ndio wenyewe. Umesahau kuwa tuliwakomboa kutoka kwa IdiAmini? angewamaliza kama Mugabe anavyo maliza Zimbabwe. Umesahau tulichofanya Anjuani Commorrow. Au umesahau tulichofanya hapo Kenya? We are deplomats more that you think. We are more than future focus that you think. Katatueni ya kwenu kabla hamjataka EAC. Wajinga tu ninyi?!
ReplyDeleteMdau toka Donyolengai
Fifty years ago in Kenya, the bitter and violent Mau Mau rebellion against British rule saw the death of thirty-two white settlers. But more than 1800 African civilians, over 3000 African police and soldiers, and 12,000 Mau Mau rebels were killed. In the war's full seven-year course, Britain sent more than 1000 of her African subjects to the gallows, and at the peak of the struggle held more than 70,000 africans in detention camps without trial. Colonial Kenya was a police state, as chillingly brutal as any other........( David Anderson- HISTORIES OF THE HANGED)ISBN 0-297-84719-8.
ReplyDeleteWhat about December 2007? and the future of Kenya?
hahahaaaaaa,,,its soo entertaining
ReplyDeleteim dying here with laughter!!dah
these pple they ment to grab us,not a joke
i didnt even read a quarter of it only tht address then i knew are just all those stressed out pple from uganda "another terrible mistake to join in with in EAC" Museveni,LRA nk
ok wish u lucky guys +somalia +congo and south sudan as annon above said,,,,hahahahaaaaa
TAIFA TEULE! MMMMM MANYANGAU WANALIGOMBEA WANATKATUMKOSEE MUNGU WETU ACHANA NAOOOOOOOOOO
ReplyDeleteLovely virgin land where every man thinks he can go and kiss her !we can keep our lovely land varginity until we see its right time for us to wed her to a proper man and not vagabonds
ReplyDeleteLovely virgin land where every man thinks he can go and kiss her !we can keep our lovely land varginity until we see its right time for us to wed her to a proper man and not vagabonds
ReplyDeleteLovely virgin land where every man thinks he can go and kiss her !we can keep our lovely land varginity until we see its right time for us to wed her to a proper man and not vagabonds
ReplyDeleteKenya na Uganda mpo hapo?au ndo mpaka tuongee kingelesi!!
ReplyDeleteI do hope yuo get the message loud and clear.
1. have transparent elections
2. lets discuss ways of improving business ,like tarriffs etc
3. leave out discussions on land,citizenship etc
4. democratic institutions in all countries should be answerable to the people
5. there must be a code of conduct in politics that is adhered to in all states
the list is long but these are salient
Kenya na Uganda mpo hapo?au ndo mpaka tuongee kingelesi!!
ReplyDeleteI do hope yuo get the message loud and clear.
1. have transparent elections
2. lets discuss ways of improving business ,like tarriffs etc
3. leave out discussions on land,citizenship etc
4. democratic institutions in all countries should be answerable to the people
5. there must be a code of conduct in politics that is adhered to in all states
the list is long but these are salient
Oh My God,this article is just too long but full of crap as well....he focused on so many things(history,anthropology....bla bla bla) that are really not that necessary.Why don't you just cut the chase and hit the point Mr...mnachokitaka kwetu ni "markets + so many other things that will benefit you guys" for your locally produced goods...watanzania wa leo hii si wa miaka ile ingekua ten years ago hapo mngetupata but now ooops we are so sooory.
ReplyDeleteKwanza who are you people to force us into that "so called federation"....as far as I know its us "Tanzanians" who at least got a clue of what it means to be unionised in the first place kwa sababu sisi ndio tumeungana na Zanzibar.Sasa nyie hasa wakenya,what do you know about that??Mtuache na Tanzania yetu na muendelee na federation yenu...tangu lini mtu akang'ang'ania kitu kama hakina umuhimu kwake??There must be something you people want from us na hamkipati ng'oooo msitupe headache na nchi ni yetu ati.
Kenyans "the big headed"...u think of us as inferiors well guess what We've got news for you all,we are doing just fine as we are....we don't need no federation kwa sababu tumeshaona mnataka kutunyonya mabepari nyie...so take your time and bark as much as you want, when it comes to this issue we ain't listening no more.
ReplyDeleteWaburuzeni hao hao ambao hawajawastukia bao..mnataka kusema nyie ndio mnayajua sana matatizo yetu,sisi tutabaki SADC nyie endeleeni na EA-federation.
All what I wanted to say about this Ugandan fellow (Kakuru) who supports Mr. Warigi has been said by GL of Dar Es Salaam. Mr. Kakuru if there is anyone who knows and support PanAfricanism is Tanzania and the Tanzanians. Our dream was not just East Africa Federation, it was United States of Africa, unfortunately most of our friends (you included) have proved us wrong. We accommodated and gave land to most freedom fighters (including your Museveni), we still have most refugee camps across our borders (visit UNHCR.org/refugeecamps in Africa). Which reminds me, WHY is Museveni still a President? Didn't we agree that there is no more "Life Presidents"?! Do US a favor Ugandans, bring another president to the chair so that we can start talking.... and for the "Kikuyus", why don't you start by federating Kenya?***
ReplyDeleteGuys, you're our friends, neighbors, brothers & sisters, in-laws, etc.etc. Let's be sincere, what is the most thing that you need from Bongoland?
This topic is far from closing, why don't we start forums/mijadala at the root level, nje ya mtandao, let the wananchi (vijijini) speak. Kaka Michuzi, mpatie ujumbe huu JK.
Lotte
Mjamaa wa kweli.
IF I WAS HIS PROFESSOR TEACHING HIM ABOUT EAC/FEDERATION I COULD SIMPLY UTTERLY AND COMPLETE GIVE HIM ZERO OUT OF A MILLION, 0/1000000 NINGEMPA ZERO CHINI YA MILIONI MOJA.
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